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Socialism was born due to the unethical development of the industrial capitalism:
In 1827, the cooperative movement was born and it was comprised of two parallel branches: syndicalism (professional movement) and political (of socialist inspiration).
Syndicalism aimed at reducing the working time, increasing salaries, improving hygienic conditions and security. But they also had a dream: to transform society, and to prepare the advent of a more just social order (for society as a whole [called the messianism of the working class]). Syndicalism defended that the worker was not to trust the bourgeois; he was to completely trust in the cooperative movement only.
The initial spirit of socialism was, in my point of view, correct and just.
The industrial revolution was one of the best periods in human history (in terms of creativity), but it was also a period of unethical capitalist behaviour (workers were severely exploited; thus disrespected, humiliated and unvalued [when they were the main asset of any business: industrial, agricultural etc]).
Socialism helped improving the working conditions worldwide, and we can never forget that; however, after accomplishing all that they have, why do they keep having that silly anti-rich rhetoric, when socialist parties are mainly comprised by rich people (the “Gauche-caviar” [French for “Left-Caviar”]) that call themselves socialist in order to draw votes, and once in power they implement right-wing policies (except for national security issues & Patriotic pride)?
Communism: the deadliest plague of them all, thanks to Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels.
These German philosophers had a dream: that socialism would replace capitalism, and lead to a stateless, classless society baptised as pure communism.
The very definition of communism (a set of economic and political ideals, in addition to social movements, “related to the establishment of an egalitarian, classless and stateless society based on common ownership and control of the means of production and property, in general” [Source: Wikipedia]) is an illusion and, when implemented it becomes, an attack to individuality, to creativity, to personal ambition, to freedom.
When implemented, communism is not about egalitarianism (which can be reached by any political system if/when we start respecting each other as human beings; and communism never achieved this because it respects not: it oppresses and represses), it is about the search for the absolute power for a restricted group (that would end up by becoming a corrupt political group in absolute); it is not about a classless society (because two classes, under this regime, still exist: the people and the regime’s pack); and it is certainly not about a stateless society (for the state remains existent: the communist government that controls and owns everything, including the life and minds of people).
Communism is far worse than capitalism; for the latter creates, builds, develops, invests, enriches; whereas the first narrows the mind, brainwashes, castrates, censors, persecutes, imprisons, tortures, violates human freedoms, destroys and impoverishes.
- Extremely harsh work conditions
- Exploitation of women and children (15-16 hours/day of working time and they were paid 30%-60% less than men).
- Salary injustice (salaries were paid either in money or in groceries; they were decreased if the volume of business was low and, if the worker got late to work, or damaged any machinery, he/she’d pay a heavy fine).
- Squalor (industrial workers lived poorly in apartments, provided by their employers, without potable water nor sewage system – subjected, thus, to diseases of all sorts).
In 1827, the cooperative movement was born and it was comprised of two parallel branches: syndicalism (professional movement) and political (of socialist inspiration).
Syndicalism aimed at reducing the working time, increasing salaries, improving hygienic conditions and security. But they also had a dream: to transform society, and to prepare the advent of a more just social order (for society as a whole [called the messianism of the working class]). Syndicalism defended that the worker was not to trust the bourgeois; he was to completely trust in the cooperative movement only.
The initial spirit of socialism was, in my point of view, correct and just.
The industrial revolution was one of the best periods in human history (in terms of creativity), but it was also a period of unethical capitalist behaviour (workers were severely exploited; thus disrespected, humiliated and unvalued [when they were the main asset of any business: industrial, agricultural etc]).
Socialism helped improving the working conditions worldwide, and we can never forget that; however, after accomplishing all that they have, why do they keep having that silly anti-rich rhetoric, when socialist parties are mainly comprised by rich people (the “Gauche-caviar” [French for “Left-Caviar”]) that call themselves socialist in order to draw votes, and once in power they implement right-wing policies (except for national security issues & Patriotic pride)?
Communism: the deadliest plague of them all, thanks to Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels.
These German philosophers had a dream: that socialism would replace capitalism, and lead to a stateless, classless society baptised as pure communism.
The very definition of communism (a set of economic and political ideals, in addition to social movements, “related to the establishment of an egalitarian, classless and stateless society based on common ownership and control of the means of production and property, in general” [Source: Wikipedia]) is an illusion and, when implemented it becomes, an attack to individuality, to creativity, to personal ambition, to freedom.
When implemented, communism is not about egalitarianism (which can be reached by any political system if/when we start respecting each other as human beings; and communism never achieved this because it respects not: it oppresses and represses), it is about the search for the absolute power for a restricted group (that would end up by becoming a corrupt political group in absolute); it is not about a classless society (because two classes, under this regime, still exist: the people and the regime’s pack); and it is certainly not about a stateless society (for the state remains existent: the communist government that controls and owns everything, including the life and minds of people).
Communism is far worse than capitalism; for the latter creates, builds, develops, invests, enriches; whereas the first narrows the mind, brainwashes, castrates, censors, persecutes, imprisons, tortures, violates human freedoms, destroys and impoverishes.
A successful socialist and/or communist regime is a complete reverie: wake up!
I strongly encourage you to read my co-graffiter's (LS) point of view: Here
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Hello Max!
ReplyDeleteGreat topic and well written as per usual...
It seems to me that we have adjusted our writing styles of late...we have swapped stylistic approaches in some ways! LOL Perhaps learning from one another?
There is no doubt that the industrial revolution accelerated the need for change and I believe your timeline etc is fair...although in my article I perhaps push the clock further back than in yours thinking of the initiators (although not directly related in my article) such as Thomas Hobbes (1651), John Locke (1689) and Jean-Jacques Rousseau (1762) and perhaps also Plato with his Republic (all imperfect to be sure yet brilliant in their own ways). Those ideas and others were steps upon which others then stepped. However it is unfortunate that many of those expressing the needed change in the industrial revolution lacked at times certain intellectual capacity compared to their predecessors. Some of those in early socialism also had some wacky ideas.
Socialism properly worked and harnessed can be a wonderful servant however it tends towards growing envy and slothfulness...If it is correctly instructed by democracy and capitalism then the harm it can do is limited and it may then soften the tendencies of the other two...
Socialism can bleed us dry and capitalism can have a heart of stone...It is vexing that most are unfamiliar with the intricacies of these socio economic systems...
Marx and Engels dream was a nightmare...and a fairy tale with which we have a moral of the story that hopefully we have learned from...they promote hate and envy with revolution to place their ilk in power as a new aristocracy which has its boot (or teeth) on the jugular of freedom...
The contrasts between capitalism (an economic system) expressed under varying kinds of political systems (for example communism taken with only the social considerations) is currently interesting with the experiment in China today...
Excellent wakeup call! Not a lot for me to fight over with you here...perhaps at my place? (I will go have a look)
A nice comment on communism. Thanks. It is indeed an impracticable thesis based on merely economic considerations. Human aspects were totally ignored. For this reason, it failed worldwide. But in India, some real capitalists are still carrying its flag to exploit the poor masses.
ReplyDeleteHi Max,
ReplyDeleteCommunism is not a reverie, it is a nightmare.
It's a system where mysery prevails both politically and socially:
A) Politically the power is shared between natural born thugs and anarchists whose main policy is distribution of fear and terror.
B) Socially, the people spends most of its time stressed about survival for all the basics are rationed.
We are full aware that, from social and economic injustice, a philosophical thought was brought to light and that a malicious misinterpretation of Marx's ideal caused savage regimes. Now one could argue that hard lessons have been learnt, from such savagery; but apparently it has been not, for a bad judgement nuance (just like the non-aligned countries) is being brewed: BRIC (Brazil, Russia, India and China).
Once again the world is economical and financially in dire straits thus this is the pivotal moment whereas the proved established order (capitalism) needs to be reviewed and improved - i.e. more socially oriented to simply avoid opportunistic leaders.
Only an ethical capitalism can offer freedom, fraternity (equal to cooperation) and egalitarianism (equal to some opportunities for all); while communism offers totalitarianism, re-education camps and all sorts of viciousness.
Max, this article is super and good to debate: congrats!
Ciao Max,
ReplyDeleteCommunism is the biggest redundancy of them all: a bunch of failures running a big time failed system.
I disagree with you on that one! :-)
ReplyDeleteI think the communist ideology beautiful. I totally agree on the fact that it hasn't been successful, and that it had brought a lot of bad things though.
But people often forget that it's not because communism has been a nightmare for a few countries that the theory itself is ugly.
Let me take the example of China. The last dynasty fell in 1911. The system was feodal and as ugly as it gets. Meanwhile, the foreign Powers were colonizing the country (taking Hong Kong, Shanghai, the Shandong etc.) and China was losing its sovereignty.
The first Chinese republic didn't work: the leader was a dictator. The second one collaborated with the Japanese during WW2 and did nothing for the people.
Meanwhile, Mao Zedong, hidden in Northern China, was trying to find a way for China to regain its pride, its sovereignty and its power. Here comes Soviet communism, adapted to China. Indeed, China didn't have an industrial workforce (it didn't have industries!) but a large population of farmers. These latter took power and got rid of foreign imperialism. They united the country (and I don't mean invade, they truly united it).
Ok, things didn't go so well after. Yet, social and political injustices were at first solved thanks to communism. China still emerged as a world power, albeit with a more relax view of communism and many trial and errors later.
In my opinion, capitalism is much more to blame for hunger, poverty and destruction.
A lot of people argue that the human aspect was ignored in the communist theory. I disagree: the theory was build for people, unlike capitalism which is built for a few rich ones.
One must not forget as well the challenges communist countries had to tackle. It's a bit easy to say that the "human aspect" in China is ignored. I totally agree that the country is not a model of human right, yet the population is huge and some politics had to be designed to manage it (I'm thinking for example of the only child policy).
Phew!
Yep, love politics ;-)
First,
Hi! I am just a simple man who has very little knowledge of the polictical systems that you speak of.
ReplyDeleteTherefore, I can not speak about their workings here in fear of making a fool of myself.
Of course I've read and studied on such matters but when it comes down to it, in any country, is that justice and fair treatment for all, is a must.
Take Care,
Peter
Hi! Back again as I forgot to congratulate you for reaching a great milestone - your first wedding anniversary. Cheers and give my best to your hubby!
ReplyDeleteTake Care,
Peter
Hi Max,
ReplyDeleteFirstly, congratulations on this very special occasion, your anniversary. May you both continue to prosper in love.
While the roots of socialism are valid and are the early ethos of unionizing, it seems that modern socialism is only capitalism under a different name. The money and power will be transferred to a different group who will have control over the group they complained about. It creates a "new system" with the same politics until another group wants to "transform" the new system. It is a vicious circle of shuffling and resurfacing the same thing. Like anything, the spirit of "transforming" may sound promising, but the question is, where does the transformation lead? Is it better or worse?
Thanks for the education on socialism. As always, a provocative topic.
Anniversary Cheers!
Interesting discussion and I learned about syndicalism which I never knew before.
ReplyDeleteIn high school, many years ago I was a socialist because I thought it sounded so fair and wonderful but nothing ever works in reality the way it is in theory. Any system to excess is bound to fail.
I dream of Utopia I suppose.
MAX! It's a year already! I can't believe how time has flown.
ReplyDeleteI wish you the Happiest of Anniversaries, and every kind of blessing in your marriage in the coming year. :)
Regarding your post, it's very thought provoking. I think we need to evolve more as individuals and wake up to the idea of personal responsibility, then participate more in the democratic process.
ReplyDeleteIf we are dormant, lack political voices and political will, we allow Democracy to founder. It's a complex process and requires hard work. There is no utopia, that's for sure. But Democracy can grow and flourish, if we help it along...
Happy Anniversary to you two, Max! ;o)
ReplyDeleteMax:
ReplyDeleteTo me, socialism has absolutely no good qualities, and to put everybody on the same level is nothing more than oppression. It punishes achievers and rewards the slackers. Humans need challenge. They need to work and achieve and be happy. The two are linked. And that's how they advance. Lounging around in tunics eating grapes and discussing philosophy may sound good in a fairy tale, but the real world survives by hard work and objective reward. This my sound a bit cruel. But, the bottom line is that a world without cruelty simply doesn't exist. And it never will. There will always be those who can't make it no matter what economic system is in place. So the question is, How do we help those who can't help themselves without punishing the society at large? To me, throwing out the baby with the bath water is not a viable option. Please e-mail me when you have the answer.
Simply my two cents.
Happy trails.
Hey Max,
ReplyDeleteIt's clear that the extremes of the economic spectrum have big problems. Pure capitalism, for instance, places us in a Darwinist inter-personal/inter-company jungle of economic survival without regard for the human condition, while pure communism also ignores the human condition. What we need is a midway point that combines the best of both worlds.
That being said, the current scare tactics of many "tea baggers" in the U.S. about the horrors of any compassionate economically liberal policy proposal are extremely unfair and inappropriate. This is especially true when considering most of them don't know the inherent difference between communism and fascism or have any understanding of the topics of our discussion.
hope the anniversary was great :)
I'd like to kindly disagree.
ReplyDeleteIt's an ideal. As an ideal, while it may not be practical, it must not be simply forgotten or discarded. It represents something that we want to attain but may never be able to achieve at our current development phase.
If we take a step in that direction, that step becomes a leap, which will further disintegrate the very essence of such a noble ideal.
I like capitalism but I like something to contrast it against as well because that contrast, that ideal, is a balance for good.
Hi Max,
ReplyDeleteit is always important to think about this politic issues and try to find some answers in order to get to a evolutive state of consciousness. So far i think we can say that theres no perfect political regime; so the options are related with optimization, this has no standard forlmulae to solve our human questions or society questions. Of course we would like to live in peace, with money in our pockets, with dreams just right ahead of our hands as an option; still thats not our world; Eventhough I think that can possibly be ajusted at least to majoritys. Otherwise theres always the chance to fight back as a cell, group, minority, association in sort and sense of representation of ideas. (of course as long as no human being is injured). To me, this will be always a permanent open subject. Sincerely i can't say wich is better and to whom would it be better; I'm not satisfied with the ideal of seeing some lazy citizens being supported by govs, and i'm also unhappy to see banks CEOs taking advantage of my economic efforts and then let it go bankrupt with no consequences.
IS there a mid term? Will it ever?
best wishes
G
Max, you always have a meaningful way of inviting people to raise awareness and attune differently to their emotions. Once you acknowledge how you feel, you are empowered to understand them.
ReplyDeleteI also responded to your query about Tibetan singing bowls w/ this post:
http://blog.dreambuilders.com.au/journal/2009/9/29/tibetan-singing-bowl-meditations.html
Hello LSus :D!
ReplyDelete"Great topic and well written as per usual..."
Thank you so much, my friend *bowing*!
"It seems to me that we have adjusted our writing styles of late...we have swapped stylistic approaches in some ways! LOL Perhaps learning from one another?"
For sure! You know I learn a lot from you *bowing*!
"(...) in my article I perhaps push the clock further back than in yours thinking of the initiators (although not directly related in my article) such as Thomas Hobbes (1651), John Locke (1689) and Jean-Jacques Rousseau (1762) and perhaps also Plato with his Republic (all imperfect to be sure yet brilliant in their own ways)."
*nodding in agreement* you are correct.
"Socialism properly worked and harnessed can be a wonderful servant however it tends towards growing envy and slothfulness...If it is correctly instructed by democracy and capitalism then the harm it can do is limited and it may then soften the tendencies of the other two..."
Now you have said it all, LS! This is exactly the type of comment I was hoping for; excellent!! :D
"It is vexing that most are unfamiliar with the intricacies of these socio economic systems..."
Vexing indeed...
"Marx and Engels dream was a nightmare...and a fairy tale with which we have a moral of the story that hopefully we have learned from...they promote hate and envy with revolution to place their ilk in power as a new aristocracy which has its boot (or teeth) on the jugular of freedom..."
I loved the way you put it!! Yes, this is exactly it: the ones behind the cooperative movement wanted to bring down the aristocrats and the bourgeois, only to replace them by a new bourgeoisie and aristocracy: themselves (excluding the etiquette). They took Marx's dream, perverted it and created a system based on envy, on greed, on decay disguised as social concern.
"The contrasts between capitalism (an economic system) expressed under varying kinds of political systems (for example communism taken with only the social considerations) is currently interesting with the experiment in China today..."
China is not a communist country, although they like to say they are.
"Excellent wakeup call! Not a lot for me to fight over with you here...perhaps at my place? (I will go have a look)"
Thank you *bowing*! LOL LOL I will see what you have for me over at your place :D!
LSus, thank you ever so much for this awesome comment: I loved it :D!
Cheers
Hey Ram :D!
ReplyDelete"A nice comment on communism. Thanks. It is indeed an impracticable thesis based on merely economic considerations. Human aspects were totally ignored. For this reason, it failed worldwide. But in India, some real capitalists are still carrying its flag to exploit the poor masses."
Thank YOU *bowing*! I utterly agree with you: human aspects were absolutely ignored (which showed its true colours: contempt for human rights).
Capitalism needs regulation to avoid exploitation - and exploitation is one of the reasons why I do not spit on socialism (for it keep capitalism on a tight leash).
I am a capitalist, but I defend a responsible capitalism (one that respects human rights).
Ram, thank you ever so much for your outstanding comment (I loved it) :D! Greetings to India :D!
Cheers
Hi C.C :D!
ReplyDelete"Communism is not a reverie, it is a nightmare."
It is a reverie to those who never lived it, and a nightmare for those who know it and experienced it.
Like you so well said in communism "misery prevails both politically and socially" *nodding*.
"We are full aware that, from social and economic injustice, a philosophical thought was brought to light and that a malicious misinterpretation of Marx's ideal caused savage regimes. Now one could argue that hard lessons have been learnt, from such savagery; but apparently it has been not, for a bad judgement nuance (just like the non-aligned countries) is being brewed: BRIC (Brazil, Russia, India and China)"
*nodding in agreement*! Do you think India and Brazil would wish to repeat the savagery from the past?
"Once again the world is economical and financially in dire straits thus this is the pivotal moment whereas the proved established order (capitalism) needs to be reviewed and improved - i.e. more socially oriented to simply avoid opportunistic leaders.
Only an ethical capitalism can offer freedom, fraternity (equal to cooperation) and egalitarianism (equal to some opportunities for all); while communism offers totalitarianism, re-education camps and all sorts of viciousness."
Hear, Hear!!! *applauding*
"Max, this article is super and good to debate: congrats!"
Why, thank you so much :D! But your comment was way much better :D!
Circulus Ciceronis, thanks a million for this outstanding comment :D!
Cheers
Hi Dux :D!
ReplyDelete"Communism is the biggest redundancy of them all: a bunch of failures running a big time failed system."
LOL...wow, Dux...when are you going to really tell us what you think! ;)
But you are correct: it is a big time failed system!
Dux, thank you ever so much for this fiery outstanding comment: I loved it :D!
Cheers
Hi Zhu :D!
ReplyDelete"I disagree with you on that one! :-)"
LOL at last!!! ;) Let's hear it, darling....
"I think the communist ideology beautiful. I totally agree on the fact that it hasn't been successful, and that it had brought a lot of bad things though."
Zhu, communism can never be a beautiful ideology for one simple reason: it represents oppression (for example: a classless society implies stomping on individual ambitions and liberties).
Now, if you tell me that the very early socialist ideology was beautiful, I might agree with you since it was about defending the rights of workers; it was about improving the working conditions...in summa, the humanisation of capitalism - now this is beautiful.
"These latter took power and got rid of foreign imperialism. They united the country (and I don't mean invade, they truly united it)."
It depends, Zhu...the Uyghurs consider themselves occupied by China, not united to China.
"In my opinion, capitalism is much more to blame for hunger, poverty and destruction."
Communism promoted poverty (since it rejects individual enrichment), destruction (of all sorts, including that of the spirit, creativity and liberty) and hunger (let's not forget about food rationing).
Capitalism has proved to be a successful system (although I defend that it needs to be even more humanised; yes, because it has been evolving throughout times); whereas communism (with all its "altruism") has proved to be a complete failure - and everything that it touched it destroyed (look at Africa, for example).
"A lot of people argue that the human aspect was ignored in the communist theory. I disagree: the theory was build for people, unlike capitalism which is built for a few rich ones."
Oh but it was ignored, more than that...communism hit & ran the human aspect of society.
Look around now: the middle class rules society (i.e. without it there is no business, for they are the ones who buy more), this could only be possible under capitalism (a more humane one); whereas under communism...they wouldn't even be.
"Phew! Yep, love politics ;-)"
LOL LOL I can see that!
Zhu, thank you ever so much for this brilliant comment. I loved it, even though I stand on the opposite corner of this debate (once again, thank you for your valued contribution) :D!
Cheers
Hi Peter :D!
ReplyDelete"Of course I've read and studied on such matters but when it comes down to it, in any country, is that justice and fair treatment for all, is a must."
I agree with you!
Peter, I admire you (it is admirable when a human being admits to ignore a subject and silences before such status) *bowing*! I am proud of being your friend :D!
Thanks for having dropped by and shared your light with us :D!
Cheers
Peter,
ReplyDelete"Back again as I forgot to congratulate you for reaching a great milestone - your first wedding anniversary. Cheers and give my best to your hubby!"
*Happy face* thank you!!! My hubby has already read this comment of yours and says "Cheers" :D!
Peter, you are a gem; thanks!!
Hi Lady A :D!
ReplyDelete"Firstly, congratulations on this very special occasion, your anniversary. May you both continue to prosper in love."
Thank you ever so much, my dear friend *hug*!
"While the roots of socialism are valid and are the early ethos of unionizing, it seems that modern socialism is only capitalism under a different name."
You know it, girl!! Well said!!
"The money and power will be transferred to a different group who will have control over the group they complained about."
Exactly! All based on envy!
"It creates a "new system" with the same politics until another group wants to "transform" the new system. It is a vicious circle of shuffling and resurfacing the same thing. Like anything, the spirit of "transforming" may sound promising, but the question is, where does the transformation lead? Is it better or worse?"
Brilliantly put! And that is the question indeed...but no one is willing to answer it; and the proof of that is young people still believing that socialism (a twisted one) and communism are super *nodding*.
We have had the example of what these systems can do, and they are not good at all.
"Thanks for the education on socialism. As always, a provocative topic."
Aaah, you are kind (nevertheless: you are welcome) :D! lol "You know how we do"....
Lady A, thanks a billion times for your input: true, accurate, fantastic! Loved it :D!
Super Anniversary Cheers
Hi MW :D!
ReplyDelete"In high school, many years ago I was a socialist because I thought it sounded so fair and wonderful but nothing ever works in reality the way it is in theory. Any system to excess is bound to fail."
True.
"I dream of Utopia I suppose."
Thomas Moore's? It wouldn't work either...
MW, thank you so so much for your delightful input, I loved it :D!
Cheers
Hi Lynda :D!
ReplyDelete"It's a year already! I can't believe how time has flown."
It is!!! I can't believe it either... :)!
"I wish you the Happiest of Anniversaries, and every kind of blessing in your marriage in the coming year. :)"
Thank you so much, my friend *hug*! Aaaaah, from your lips to God's ears :)!
Lynda, thank you for your kind wishes: I am touched!
Cheers
Lynda,
ReplyDelete"Regarding your post, it's very thought provoking. I think we need to evolve more as individuals and wake up to the idea of personal responsibility, then participate more in the democratic process."
lol provocation is the motto here ;). Hear, hear!!
"If we are dormant, lack political voices and political will, we allow Democracy to founder. It's a complex process and requires hard work. There is no utopia, that's for sure. But Democracy can grow and flourish, if we help it along..."
Amen to that!!!
Lynda, I am nearly speechless: outstanding comment!! Thank you!! :D
Cheers
Hi Abelle :D!
ReplyDelete"Happy Anniversary to you two, Max! ;o)"
Thank you so much, darling *hug*!
I hope all is well with you :D!
Cheers
Hi Swu :D!
ReplyDelete"To me, socialism has absolutely no good qualities, and to put everybody on the same level is nothing more than oppression."
You described communism: sheer oppression!
Early socialism served as a wake up call to unethical capitalism; modern socialism is a mask to deceive people.
"They need to work and achieve and be happy. The two are linked. And that's how they advance. Lounging around in tunics eating grapes and discussing philosophy may sound good in a fairy tale, but the real world survives by hard work and objective reward."
I totally agree with you! An ideology is exactly that: an ideal that should remain in the mental level, not exercised in reality.
"This my sound a bit cruel. But, the bottom line is that a world without cruelty simply doesn't exist. And it never will."
It doesn't sound cruel at all...
"There will always be those who can't make it no matter what economic system is in place."
So true.
"So the question is, How do we help those who can't help themselves without punishing the society at large? To me, throwing out the baby with the bath water is not a viable option. Please e-mail me when you have the answer."
LOL I will email you when I have the answer, Swu....
Superb two cents, my friend...thank you so much :D!
Cheers
Hey Manimala :D!
ReplyDelete"It's clear that the extremes of the economic spectrum have big problems. Pure capitalism, for instance, places us in a Darwinist inter-personal/inter-company jungle of economic survival without regard for the human condition, while pure communism also ignores the human condition. What we need is a midway point that combines the best of both worlds."
*nodding in utter agreement*!
"That being said, the current scare tactics of many "tea baggers" in the U.S. about the horrors of any compassionate economically liberal policy proposal are extremely unfair and inappropriate."
I agree with you. There has been a lot of exaggeration regarding a more humane capitalism *nodding*.
"This is especially true when considering most of them don't know the inherent difference between communism and fascism or have any understanding of the topics of our discussion."
lol nasty! But I must agree with you; cause I see the word "socialism" being thrown at the right and left and I do not recognise any sign of socialism in the US (and I live in a socialist country). Sometimes, I wonder if the concept is well understood.
"hope the anniversary was great :)"
Hey, it was marvellous, thank you :D!
Manimala, I adored your comment for which I simply thank you a million times :D! It's good to have you back on the scene, man :D!
Cheers
Hi Shan :D!
ReplyDelete"I'd like to kindly disagree."
Please do, darling....
"It's an ideal. As an ideal, while it may not be practical, it must not be simply forgotten or discarded. It represents something that we want to attain but may never be able to achieve at our current development phase."
It is not practical at all, you mean. No, I do not want to attain a classless society (if I work hard and achieve my goals, I have the right to be rich to own whatever I want without having to directly share my wealth with people that didn't invest time, blood and tears in the same enterprise, simply because the state tells me to...no); I do not want a stateless society (as if it were possible); and I do not wish common ownership of the means of production...no. And I frankly doubt it that you would want it too.
"If we take a step in that direction, that step becomes a leap, which will further disintegrate the very essence of such a noble ideal."
Some countries have taken the step and look where it got them: down the drain.
Even China knows that communism doesn't work, but hides behind its mask in order to prove that it does....but then why did it adhere to capitalism? Its current economic system contradicts communism (in fact, it spits on its face).
"I like capitalism but I like something to contrast it against as well because that contrast, that ideal, is a balance for good."
Capitalism's counter-balance is not communism (this line of thought doesn't even make sense). Ethical capitalism is the contrast of capitalism; it is the balance for good.
Shan, thank you so much for your great input :D! It's great to see you here :D!
Cheers
Ciao G!!! :D
ReplyDelete"So far i think we can say that theres no perfect political regime; so the options are related with optimization, this has no standard forlmulae to solve our human questions or society questions. Of course we would like to live in peace, with money in our pockets, with dreams just right ahead of our hands as an option; still thats not our world"
I see what where you are coming from...
"Otherwise theres always the chance to fight back as a cell, group, minority, association in sort and sense of representation of ideas. (of course as long as no human being is injured)."
At least in our current political system we have the right to fight back...in totalitarian (even if disguised as social-oriented) systems people do not have this right.
"Sincerely i can't say wich is better and to whom would it be better; I'm not satisfied with the ideal of seeing some lazy citizens being supported by govs, and i'm also unhappy to see banks CEOs taking advantage of my economic efforts and then let it go bankrupt with no consequences."
I hear you!
"IS there a mid term? Will it ever?"
Yes, there is a mid term...but people must be willing to implement it. The question is: will they ever want it?
Gallardo....G....outstanding comment!!! Thank you for honouring us with your thoughts :D!
Cheers
Hi Liara :D!
ReplyDelete"Max, you always have a meaningful way of inviting people to raise awareness and attune differently to their emotions. Once you acknowledge how you feel, you are empowered to understand them."
Thank you, darling :D! You are right!
"I also responded to your query about Tibetan singing bowls w/ this post:"
Thanks, I will drop by to read it :D!
Liara, thank you for having dropped by :D!
Cheers
Hey Max never been a fan of communism, lol, very controlled environment. Excellent write up, now I understand more difference between the socialism and communism. Thanks again my friend. Anna :)
ReplyDeleteHi Anna :D!
ReplyDeleteNeither have I: I never liked it, and I never will...it is an attack to human rights.
Ahhh, there you go being kind: thank you *bowing*!
Cheerio