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I had planned to discuss Youth this week; however a special event occurred this past weekend and my thoughts were re-directed to a different theme. Plus, I had a conversation with Alexys that encouraged me to share this message with you.
I wrote God a missive. I write him a lot of notes (which are carefully written, sealed, locked by fire and then transported to Him by the wind), but this time I wrote a letter; and I am publishing it so that the world testifies my profound gratitude towards Him.
You know who I am (since You are the Creator), You know what goes in my heart and soul; You know my deepest thoughts, and You know that You always come first.
You have sent me to fulfil a mission: it has not always been easy; many times I felt like quitting but as Tupac Shakur said “God don’t like no ugly, and God don’t like no quitters” (just a bit of humour since I know how much You enjoy laughing)…I never quit, and I am absolutely sure You know why – quitting on my mission would be the same as quitting on You, and that is something that I will never, ever do. You always come first.
El-Shaddai (by the way, I must say that You have beautiful names), in You I find the strength to go on. Sometimes I may find myself in the darkest places, without knowing which way to turn, but Your name alone is sufficient light to guide my steps.
I surrender myself to You. My life is in Your hands since the very first time I came to earth and it will always be until I go back home for good.
You never let me fall; I might trip (every now and then) but I never fall for You send Your Angels to watch over me and hold me so that I never touch the ground.
Thank You! Thank You, Adonai, for all the blessings in my life. Thank You for my family (= the union of two great families); for my present and future friends; for my present and future co-workers. Thank You for my present and future foes; for “bad” events, for moments of sadness because they represent relevant growth tools that contribute to my burning off Karma…thank You ever so much!
Your eternal servant,
Max”
“The Lord God has given me the tongue of disciples, that I may know how to sustain the weary one with a word He awakens me morning by morning, He awakens my ear to listen as a disciple. The Lord God has opened my ear; and I was not disobedient nor did I turn back.” (Isaiah 50:4-5)
I wrote God a missive. I write him a lot of notes (which are carefully written, sealed, locked by fire and then transported to Him by the wind), but this time I wrote a letter; and I am publishing it so that the world testifies my profound gratitude towards Him.
“Blessed be the Lord, our God, the God of our forefathers!
Hashem,
You know who I am (since You are the Creator), You know what goes in my heart and soul; You know my deepest thoughts, and You know that You always come first.
You have sent me to fulfil a mission: it has not always been easy; many times I felt like quitting but as Tupac Shakur said “God don’t like no ugly, and God don’t like no quitters” (just a bit of humour since I know how much You enjoy laughing)…I never quit, and I am absolutely sure You know why – quitting on my mission would be the same as quitting on You, and that is something that I will never, ever do. You always come first.
El-Shaddai (by the way, I must say that You have beautiful names), in You I find the strength to go on. Sometimes I may find myself in the darkest places, without knowing which way to turn, but Your name alone is sufficient light to guide my steps.
I surrender myself to You. My life is in Your hands since the very first time I came to earth and it will always be until I go back home for good.
You never let me fall; I might trip (every now and then) but I never fall for You send Your Angels to watch over me and hold me so that I never touch the ground.
Thank You! Thank You, Adonai, for all the blessings in my life. Thank You for my family (= the union of two great families); for my present and future friends; for my present and future co-workers. Thank You for my present and future foes; for “bad” events, for moments of sadness because they represent relevant growth tools that contribute to my burning off Karma…thank You ever so much!
Your eternal servant,
Max”
“The Lord God has given me the tongue of disciples, that I may know how to sustain the weary one with a word He awakens me morning by morning, He awakens my ear to listen as a disciple. The Lord God has opened my ear; and I was not disobedient nor did I turn back.” (Isaiah 50:4-5)
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Hello Max;
ReplyDeleteA missive not to be missed my friend…..
It is quite similar to epistles I myself have sent to the God of the Angel Armies (LORD of hosts), to the Name…..
I thought of ending there but I know we enjoy “our conversations” so I respectfully (meaning as you know that even if we disagree on some theological or other matters I hold you personally in the highest regard) submit these observations…. I am though wary of the fact that because this article of yours seems so personal my words may come off in a way I do not intend…. I trust in our relationship for you to know where my heart is on this…
One of the unfortunate things about Tupak is his followers still write his name with graffiti and profanity all over our area, particularly on playground equipment for the small children. Plus they are fond of smoking joints and throwing beer bottles at passing cars in the middle of the night….and I live in a “nice area”….Although some of them have stopped when I have spoken to them (two of whom now attend my Church after our conversations) it is a large group of young people…
El-Shaddai is one of my favorite names for God, God Almighty Who is all sufficient. It is also one of my favorite worship songs from Church:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIC_A0WNY1s
Max it is always interesting how you try to infuse Eastern religious theology, doctrine and dogma like reincarnation and karma into the Bible. Only the fringe anti-Biblical groups like Kabbalists attempt to do this with reincarnation (and other anti-Biblical esoteric concepts), no reputable rabbi or Christian theologian would do so, and of course another anti-Biblical fringe group that attempts this would be the Gnostics. I am so very thankful that grace slays karma….
You have reminded me of some beautiful passages from the Old Testament….
He remembered that they were but flesh,
a passing breeze that does not return.
- - Psalm 78:29
This is the evil in everything that happens under the sun: The same destiny overtakes all. The hearts of people, moreover, are full of evil and there is madness in their hearts while they live, and afterward they join the dead. 4 Anyone who is among the living has hope —even a live dog is better off than a dead lion!
5 For the living know that they will die,
but the dead know nothing;
they have no further reward,
and even their name is forgotten.
6 Their love, their hate
and their jealousy have long since vanished;
never again will they have a part
in anything that happens under the sun.
- - Ecclesiastes 9:3-6
I also love the part of Scripture you allude to with your words “You send Your Angels to watch over me and hold me so that I never touch the ground.”
It reminds me of this:
5 Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. 6 "If you are the Son of God," he said, "throw yourself down. For it is written:
" 'He will command his angels concerning you,
and they will lift you up in their hands,
so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’"
7 Jesus answered him, "It is also written: 'Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’"
- - Matthew 4:5-7
The section of Scripture you quote from Isaiah 50:4-5 is the fourth of the Servant-Messiah songs within Isaiah (actually it is 4thu 11)…. And displays how the one and only Servant-Messiah will suffer… Verse 10 is such a glorious verse….
Who is among you that fears the LORD,
That obeys the voice of His servant,
That walks in darkness and has no light?
Let him trust in the name of the LORD and rely on his God.
Max a wonderfully laden…encapsulation of your thoughts… Thank you for sharing something so personal, I hope my words do not come off as uncaring, as you know the opposite is true…
L
Olá Max,
ReplyDeleteLovely palavras meu amigo, tanto significado muito
Eu tenho feito o 'Love Hate meme' e você pode encontrá-lo aqui
Têm um grande dia,
Colin
Hey Max, I have something for you here http://mlizcochico.com/?p=293.
ReplyDeleteTake care and Happy Wednesday.
I agree that God has a great sense of humor. I was a missionary in Taiwan when I was younger, and during that time I had difficulty waking up when I should in the morning. One night I prayed fervently for help to wake up on time the next morning. My alarm went off as usual, and as usual I closed my eyes and started lapsing back in to sleep. Suddenly someone outside on the street began setting off a huge bunch of firecrackers. I laughed, and I'm sure God laughed too. :)
ReplyDeleteHello LS;
ReplyDelete"A missive not to be missed my friend….." - indeed, my friend, indeed :). Thank you for visiting so soon :)....
"It is quite similar to epistles I myself have sent to the God of the Angel Armies (LORD of hosts), to the Name….." - really? Now, that is interesting... :)
"I thought of ending there but I know we enjoy “our conversations” so I respectfully (meaning as you know that even if we disagree on some theological or other matters I hold you personally in the highest regard) submit these observations…." - LOL I would think that you were sick or something; if you had ended there lol :). You may submit your observations, LS; you know how much I enjoy our conversations :D...
"I am though wary of the fact that because this article of yours seems so personal my words may come off in a way I do not intend…. I trust in our relationship for you to know where my heart is on this…" - You do not have to worry about that, LS...trust me when I say that I know where your heart is *bowing*. Whatever it is you have to say, I think our friendship will survive :).
"One of the unfortunate things about Tupak is his followers still write his name with graffiti and profanity all over our area, particularly on playground equipment for the small children." - Well, Tupac didn't tell them to write his name with graffiti (and profanity) in areas where children play. If his fans (I wouldn't call them "followers" cause Tupac was no guru of thought; and if he intended to be, he didn't have the time to show us what he was worth - extra-rap and movies, I mean) do it, it's because they are brainless thugs with no respect for public property.
"Plus they are fond of smoking joints and throwing beer bottles at passing cars in the middle of the night….and I live in a “nice area”" - I detest when people do that *nodding*. Of course that kind of behaviour has nothing to do with Tupac, it has to do will ill-behaved, messed up people, whose parents do not do their job properly. I like Tupac, I listen to his music since I was 17 and I never smoked joints nor drank beer (let alone throw bottles at passing cars....my mom would've killed me).
"….Although some of them have stopped when I have spoken to them (two of whom now attend my Church after our conversations) it is a large group of young people…" - LOL LOL LOL so, you converted the kids, huh? *nodding*
"El-Shaddai is one of my favorite names for God, God Almighty Who is all sufficient. It is also one of my favorite worship songs from Church" - interesting song, thank you for having shared it with us :).
"Max it is always interesting how you try to infuse Eastern religious theology, doctrine and dogma like reincarnation and karma into the Bible." - LOL LS, reincarnation and karma are not exclusive to Eastern religious theology. European pagans already had these concepts way before India was discovered and any cultural/religious information could be exchanged; even the Africans have this concepts way before Europeans and Indians went there.
"Only the fringe anti-Biblical groups like Kabbalists attempt to do this with reincarnation (and other anti-Biblical esoteric concepts), no reputable rabbi or Christian theologian would do so, and of course another anti-Biblical fringe group that attempts this would be the Gnostics. I am so very thankful that grace slays karma…." - Are you saying that Rabbi Moses de Leon (who published, in 1280, the Zohar), Rabbi Menasseh Ben Israel (who was born in Portugal, in 1604) and other rabbis who believe in the Kabbalah are not reputable? There are Chasidic Rabbis who believe in the Kabbalah, aren't they reputable? Well, it's your opinion and it deserves to be respected *bowing*...
I guess it is easier for you to accept that following Jesus, a man, can save you; rather than accepting the fact that what you do will bear consequences (it may not be like many mystics say; for example, I don't believe that if you break somebody's leg your leg will be broken; but I believe that the pain you inflicted by breaking somebody's legs will return to you, only under different circumstances).
Reincarnation is not anti-biblical, although I understand that this might be hard for most people to understand and accept. It is written: "Your dead will live; their corpses will rise you who lie in the dust, awake and shout for joy, for your dew is as the dew of the dawn, and the earth will give birth to the departed spirits" (Isaiah 26:19), you will probably say that this passage is referring to ressurection; but it is not (interpret the signs free of Christian dogma, free of any pre-judgement; and you will see that this is referring to reincarnation). "That which has been already and that which will be has already been, for God seeks what has passed by" (Ecclesiastes 3:15) this clearly speaks of reincarnation and karma ("God seeks what has passed by", what for? So that you suffer the consequences of your actions).
Now, to speak your language: "Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, he was asking his disciples, «who do people say that the son of man is?» and they said «Some say John the Baptist, and others, Elijah; but still others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets»" (Mathew 16:13-14) it is clear to see that the thought of Jesus being the reincarnation of all those prophets was not unacceptable. "And his disciples asked him, «Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?» and he answered and said «Elijah is coming and will restore all things; but I say to you that Elijah already came, and they did not recognise him, but did to him whatever they wished. So also the son of man is going to suffer at their hands.»" (Mathew 17:10-12) Jesus himself admits reincarnation, although obviously his followers didn't understand it as such; "they did not recognise him" you recognise flesh, a person; or the energy (but that is another story); Elijah reincarnated, and many say, as John Baptist.
"He remembered that they were but flesh, a passing breeze that does not return.- - Psalm 78:29" - it is true, the flesh doesn't return; but the spirit does; and that is what it is called reincarnation - the spirit re-entering flesh.
"5 For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even their name is forgotten.
6 Their love, their hate and their jealousy have long since vanished; never again will they have a part in anything that happens under the sun. - - Ecclesiastes 9:3-6" - indeed, that is why most people do not remember their past lives; they don't remember (conscienciously) who they loved, hated, their jealousy etc...it is all allegedly gone with their previous body (cause the id keeps all the information brought from previous lives; our memory, knowledge is all we take when we die - and this is what explains many "psychological" disturbances; what explains why we don't like certain people [allegedly without even having met them] etc. However, there are people who do remember...
"Jesus answered him, "It is also written: 'Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’" - - Matthew 4:5-7" - I agree with Jesus, we must never put God to the test; still He keeps me from touching the ground.
"…. And displays how the one and only Servant-Messiah will suffer… Verse 10 is such a glorious verse…." - David was a servant messiah, Saul was a servant messiah, Jesus was a servant Messiah, many rabbis have been servant messiah and they all suffered; he will be the Servant Messiah and I am sure he will suffer too, since pain and suffering is inherent to human condition, to matter...
"Max a wonderfully laden…encapsulation of your thoughts… Thank you for sharing something so personal, I hope my words do not come off as uncaring, as you know the opposite is true…" - LS, my friend, I thank you for having provided me with such a nice time *bowing*. As always, I loved our conversation :).
Cheers
Olá Colin,
ReplyDeleteWow...I am impressed :D! There is only one thing: I am "amiga" since I am a girl LOL :).
I am glad that you liked them words :)! Thank you *bowing*!
Fizeste o "love hate meme"? Vou-te visitar daqui a pouco :). Thanks for having participated :D!
Tem um excelente dia!
Hey Liza,
ReplyDeleteThanks, I am on my way :D!
I wish you too a Happy Wednesday :D!
Take care
Hey D!
ReplyDeleteLOL yes, He does :D! LOL That is a great experience, thank you for having shared it with us, D *bowing*! I would also add that not only God laughed, but He was the one who sent someone to set off the firecrackers LOL...after all you did ask Him for help in waking you up LOL!
Thanks once again for your personal story :)
Cheers
Max,
ReplyDelete"I wrote God a missive. I write him a lot of notes (which are carefully written, sealed, locked by fire and then transported to Him by the wind)..."
You do that too. I thought it was just me? ;D
Such a beautiful love letter. I felt such peace reading your depth of gratitude and love for God. It is heart-warming.
"You have sent me to fulfil a mission: it has not always been easy; many times I felt like quitting...
We have all been there. We have all had those disquieting moments of despair. It's all part of the plan to keep us striving for purification of our Soul. If it was easy, we wouldn't fight for the things we want - that is the purification of our Godselves.
"Sometimes I may find myself in the darkest places, without knowing which way to turn, but Your name alone is sufficient light to guide my steps.
I surrender myself to You."
There IS power in speaking the name. As Destiny's Child would say, "Say my name, say my name..." And it gives us such an instant resolve and clarification. When we are in the flow of life and love and look back on those dark moments, we wonder how we ever got there? Spirit moves us through the stratosphere so rapidly and you know I have learned that the bad times are so tiny compared to the magnificent times - the times when we are happy to be alive and present in our lives.
Just the other day, I had a conversation with God and he told me to tell you that you are loved beyond your wildest imagination. Whenever you have any doubts, just chill.
Thanks for the mention. *bowing*
"When I was alone, and had nothing
I asked for a friend to help me bear the pain
No one came, except God
When I needed a breath to rise, from my sleep
No one could help me.. except God
When all I saw was sadness, and I needed answers
No one heard me, except God
So when I'm asked.. who I give my unconditional love to?
I look for no other name, except God”
~Tupac Shakur
Eternal Cheers!
Max, nice words, terrific letter.
ReplyDeleteHave a great and wonderful wednesday!
Cheers!
Alexys,
ReplyDelete"You do that too. I thought it was just me? ;D" - now that is what I call synchronisation ;D!
"Such a beautiful love letter. I felt such peace reading your depth of gratitude and love for God. It is heart-warming." - thank you *bowing*! I am gald that my God-natured peace reached you, my friend :D! It made my day already *bowing*...
"We have all been there. We have all had those disquieting moments of despair. It's all part of the plan to keep us striving for purification of our Soul. If it was easy, we wouldn't fight for the things we want - that is the purification of our Godselves." - I hear you, sista...Amen!
"There IS power in speaking the name. As Destiny's Child would say, "Say my name, say my name..." And it gives us such an instant resolve and clarification" - indeed, there is a lot of power in speaking the name! That is a great song by DC, by the way.
"When we are in the flow of life and love and look back on those dark moments, we wonder how we ever got there? Spirit moves us through the stratosphere so rapidly and you know I have learned that the bad times are so tiny compared to the magnificent times - the times when we are happy to be alive and present in our lives." - yes, we are often surprised at how we find ourselves in dark moments; how we ever allowed ourselves to get there...but as I was telling a blogging-friend, a few minutes earlier, the Universe makes sure we come across with tough times, and then just looks at us to ask "what are you going to do now? How will you come out of this? Will you quit or will you fight?"...and then the process of fighting is another fight lol...
I absolutely agree with you: bad times are nothing compared to happy times. I mean, when we go through bad times, we often think that it is the end of the world; but when we are happy and look back...we realise that bad moments were there to make us fight for happiness. This reminded me of "In the day of prosperiy be happy, but in the day of adversity consider: God has made the one as well as the other so that man will not discover anything that will be after him." (Ecclesiastes 7:14).
"Just the other day, I had a conversation with God and he told me to tell you that you are loved beyond your wildest imagination. Whenever you have any doubts, just chill." - Thank you, my friend *bowing*! I am just chilling :D!
"Thanks for the mention. *bowing*" - you are most welcome, darling :D!
"So when I'm asked.. who I give my unconditional love to? I look for no other name, except God” ~Tupac Shakur" - great Tupac! I loved it, Alexys, thanks :D! Do you like his songs (apart from his poems)?
Divine Cheers
Hey Cidão,
ReplyDeleteThank you, thank you so much *bowing*! :D
Ah, I am having a great and wonderful Wednesday already, obrigadão! :D
Desejo-te o mesmo, e também boas aulas :D!
Cheers
Hi Max
ReplyDeleteI have an Award for you :)
Details here
Have a great day,
Colin
Hey Colin,
ReplyDeleteOh my, an award for me!? Yupppiii lol... :) Thank you so much *bowing*!
I am on my way to your place....
Have a great day yourself!
Cheers
I have made this my prayer for today.
ReplyDeleteThanks.
beh,
ReplyDeleteio sono Nietzschiana,
assolutemente...
Max, ha visto questo?
ArteyMundo
Hello Scott,
ReplyDeleteThat is an amazing thing to say: I should be the one to say "thank you" *bowing*! :D
Cheers
Ciao Hanna,
ReplyDeleteEssere Nietzshiana è molto interessante. Ma perchè Nietzsche te piace così tanto?
Non, non ho mai visto: cos'è? Ah, c'è un link...Grazie mille, carina! Lo vedrò súbito! Grazie :)
Ciao
Hi, Max, I've got some awards for you.
ReplyDeleteCheers!
Max, it's a beautiful prayer. It's sad that only a few people know how to thank Him for blessings. I don't write my prayers but I always utter words of thanks and praises, even at times when I feel so down.
ReplyDeleteWriting it is such a good idea. Maybe I should start writing them down. Thanks for sharing.
Cheers!
Beautiful Max, I love how you send your messages, I think the Holy Spirit works overtime on my behalf,lol. Romans 8:26,27.
ReplyDeleteHi Max, I am Fernando from Argentina. Thank you for visiting my blog. I have translated one of your texts. Of course, Hanna writes very well. I like his poetic style, essentially . I think I must correct some details of the translation, but the most important it´s there. Borges, one of the greatest Argentina´s writers, said that a writer publishes to stop correcting. I think that blogs allowed to do both things simultaneously. Bye.
ReplyDeleteHola Max, soy Fernando de Argentina. Gracias por visitar mi blog. He traducido un texto que me gustó. Hanna escribe muy bien. Me gusta su estilo poético esencialmente. Creo que debo corregir algunos detalles de la traducción, pero lo más importante está allÃ. Borges, uno de los más grandes escritores de Argentina y el mundo, decÃa que uno publica para dejar de corregir. Creo que los blogs permiten hacer las dos cosas simultáneamente. Saludos.
Max,
ReplyDeleteI really like,
"...the Universe makes sure we come across with tough times, and then just looks at us to ask "what are you going to do now? How will you come out of this? Will you quit or will you fight?"...and then the process of fighting is another fight lol..."
So true girl. So true.
"In the day of prosperiy be happy, but in the day of adversity consider: God has made the one as well as the other so that man will not discover anything that will be after him." (Ecclesiastes 7:14)."
Powerful. Deep. Thought-provoking. Love it.
I am not a hardcore Tupac fan, but I know his catalog. Since I am a somewhat of a "musicologist," I do like many genres of music. Tupac was very passionate about his life and music. His lyrics reflected a tormented Soul. They were just so raw and poignant. I can't listen to ALL of his stuff, but I like, Dear Mama; To Live And Die In L.A.; How Do You Want It; I Ain't Mad At Cha; Thugz Mansion; and Baby Don't Cry (Keep Your Head Up II).
Some of the lyrics are just too raw for my ears, but God created us all different. We have to be open to almost everything to know what we like and what we don't like.
I did see him in a drug store in Hollywood back in the 90's, buying a bottle of alcohol. His trousers were saggin' and his backwards baseball cap was on his head. He grabbed the bottle, left the store (he could hardly walk from his trousers being so low) and jumped in his Mercedes and drove off. I think he must have been recording an album or working on a music video at the time.
When he was starring in Poetic Justice with Janet Jackson, her handlers wanted him to get an AIDS test before his kissing scene with her and he refused. (Saw this in the documentary, Tupac: Resurrection.)
I like how he keeps releasing new songs even though he's dead. ;D
Tupac Cheers!
Hey Cidão,
ReplyDeleteAwards: ôbaaaaa! lol :)
I will drop by in a minute; thank you :D!
Cheers
This is a LOVELY letter, Max!!! Especially the reminder about being thankful for "bad" events and moments of sadness. :-))))
ReplyDeleteBtw, do you like my choice for the Smile Pic tag?
Smile Tag
Hey Liza,
ReplyDeleteThank you so much, dear :). I am glad you liked it *bowing*! People are what they are *shrugging*!
"I don't write my prayers but I always utter words of thanks and praises, even at times when I feel so down." - when we are down those are exactly the times when we should thank God and praise His name; because it is a proof that our faith is unshakeable :D.
If you wish you can start writing them: it is amazing the beauty that can flow from of our hearts towards the pen :).
You are most welcome *bowing*!
Cheers
Hey Bob,
ReplyDeleteThank you *bowing*! Romans 8:26,27 is a very interesting passage "In the same way the Spirit also helps ous weakness; for we do not know hot to pray as we should, but the spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words; and He who seraches the hearts knows what the mind of the spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God"...so, the Holy Spirit works overtime, huh LOL? That was a good one *nodding*...
Cheers
Hola Fernando,
ReplyDeleteDe nada :), además gracias por haber visitado mi blog *reverencia*! Has traducido un texto mio? Verdad? Cuál?
"Creo que debo corregir algunos detalles de la traducción, pero lo más importante está allÃ." - eso es bien verdad, Fernando :).
"Borges, uno de los más grandes escritores de Argentina y el mundo, decÃa que uno publica para dejar de corregir." - aaah, no tengo la certeza qué Borges tenga razón; mira, corregir es enseñar, non? Tal como enseñar es aprender...
Gracias, una vez más, por haber venido :).
Saludos
Alexys,
ReplyDeleteThank you *bowing*!
"Powerful. Deep. Thought-provoking. Love it." - I love it too! I remember the first time I read it: I was 16, and it stayed on my mind ever since...one year later I began the Path.
"Since I am a somewhat of a "musicologist," I do like many genres of music." - I hear you :).
"Tupac was very passionate about his life and music. His lyrics reflected a tormented Soul. They were just so raw and poignant." - indeed, he seemed to battle himself, all the time *nodding*. Raw and poignant yet deep...it is interesting how pain, struggle produces such beautiful texts, poetry...
"I can't listen to ALL of his stuff, but I like, Dear Mama; To Live And Die In L.A.; How Do You Want It; I Ain't Mad At Cha; Thugz Mansion; and Baby Don't Cry (Keep Your Head Up II)." - good songs (specially To Live and Die on L.A - I just love that song)! I must confess that I have all his Cd's lol...however there are so songs that I like more than others...
"Some of the lyrics are just too raw for my ears, but God created us all different. We have to be open to almost everything to know what we like and what we don't like." - true, girl, true. If he cursed less; I would say that his rap was perfect...
"His trousers were saggin' and his backwards baseball cap was on his head. He grabbed the bottle, left the store (he could hardly walk from his trousers being so low) and jumped in his Mercedes and drove off. I think he must have been recording an album or working on a music video at the time." - LOL I never understood those saggy trousers *nodding*....nowadays it is trendy here in Portugal, and to be quite frank I fear for kids...they might fall one of these days LOL LOL...and now they all think that we want to see their underwear; what is up with that? *nodding*. Anyway, Tupac did like his Mercedes "I'm in my benz burnin' rubber" lol...
"When he was starring in Poetic Justice with Janet Jackson, her handlers wanted him to get an AIDS test before his kissing scene with her and he refused. (Saw this in the documentary, Tupac: Resurrection.)" - I never watched that documentary; but I must :). AIDS test? For a kissing scene, really? *nodding*...it is not like he was going to have sex with her...
"I like how he keeps releasing new songs even though he's dead. ;D" - LOL LOL LOL you know!?
Makaveli (The Don) Cheers
Hey Amelia,
ReplyDeleteThank you so much, girl :D!
Well, we have to be thankful for everything that God sends us; good or bad; since what we consider bad, many times, is a relevant teaching! :)
I am on my way to your place: thanks for having participated :D!
Cheers
Max,
ReplyDelete"I remember the first time I read it: I was 16, and it stayed on my mind ever since...one year later I began the Path."
So would you say that he lead you to the Path? That's awesome.
"...it is interesting how pain, struggle produces such beautiful texts, poetry..."
Pain is culpable for bringing some of the world's most prolific work; art, music, dance, Soul. Look at the history of the world's most famous artists; (especially as depraved as some of them were.)
"If he cursed less; I would say that his rap was perfect..."
True. Even if a song is good and it plays in your head (music is always in my head), you don't want to keep hearing certain words. It just crashes your spirit. Sometimes I wish I could listen to songs without the lyrics.
"I never understood those saggy trousers. I fear for kids...they might fall one of these days LOL LOL...and now they all think that we want to see their underwear; what is up with that?"
Ha ha ha ha ha ha!
Don't they look like penguins. Actually penguins have more class, at least THEY don't show their underwear. LOL
"AIDS test? For a kissing scene, really? It is not like he was going to have sex with her."
I know, that's what HE said. He said if they were going to have a REAL love scene, then he would have taken the test. He also said that when they were shooting the film, he and Janet were tight. He used to call her all the time and as soon as the film was over, she changed her number.
Btw, can I have your Technorati numbers? I had to start the new blog from scratch. Come on...please???? With a cherry on top. ;D
Cherry Cheers!
Hey Alexys,
ReplyDelete"So would you say that he lead you to the Path? That's awesome." - it is not that the text led me to the Path (I was bound to join the Path even if I hadn't read the Bible); but I found it interesting that this passage (that speaks of the opposites: good/bad) stayed on my mind for so long...and then I entered the Path that teaches (right from the start) the balance of the opposites.
"Pain is culpable for bringing some of the world's most prolific work; art, music, dance, Soul. Look at the history of the world's most famous artists; (especially as depraved as some of them were.)" - you are absolutely right; you made me recall upon Modigliani who was a great painter yet addicted to drugs and alcohol *nodding*...
"True. Even if a song is good and it plays in your head (music is always in my head), you don't want to keep hearing certain words. It just crashes your spirit. Sometimes I wish I could listen to songs without the lyrics." - I hear you (music is also always in my head). LOL LOL yeah, there are songs whose lyrics are deplorable *nodding*...
"Ha ha ha ha ha ha! Don't they look like penguins. Actually penguins have more class, at least THEY don't show their underwear. LOL" - LOL they do look like penguins! LOL LOL indeed, penguins follow the etiquette lol...*nodding*...
"I know, that's what HE said. He said if they were going to have a REAL love scene, then he would have taken the test. He also said that when they were shooting the film, he and Janet were tight. He used to call her all the time and as soon as the film was over, she changed her number." - Tupac was right! Word? She did that? But why, if they were so tight...*nodding*. Women are so complicated lol...
"Btw, can I have your Technorati numbers? I had to start the new blog from scratch. Come on...please???? With a cherry on top. ;D" - LOL you can have them all :). Hey, I know of a way for you to bring back those numbers....I will drop by your place to let you know!
Strawberry Cheers
Max,
ReplyDelete"(I was bound to join the Path even if I hadn't read the Bible); but I found it interesting that this passage (that speaks of the opposites: good/bad) stayed on my mind for so long...and then I entered the Path that teaches (right from the start) the balance of the opposites."
Absolutely my dear. Do you know that when we are born we are already on the Path and as we get older, we meander in various directions and some of us never come back? Instances such as the one you describe above can bring us back to the light, as it were.
Janet's peeps didn't want her to hang with Tupac, it wouldn't have been good for her reputation. Her first marriage lasted two months and her second one (the secret one) lasted 8 years. Now she's dating Jermaine Dupri (JD).
"...you can have them all..."
That was unconditional love for ya. Thank you. To give up what you've work so hard for. (A tear forms in my eye. My heart flutters. I am touched.)
Thank you. Don't worry, you don't have to give me your numbers, but it was so moving that you would. ;D
Definitely interested in building the numbers back up.
Thankful Cheers.
Alexys,
ReplyDelete"Absolutely my dear. Do you know that when we are born we are already on the Path and as we get older, we meander in various directions and some of us never come back? Instances such as the one you describe above can bring us back to the light, as it were." - yes, it was one of the first things I learned :); but it is always a blessing to read them again and again :D!
"Janet's peeps didn't want her to hang with Tupac, it wouldn't have been good for her reputation. Her first marriage lasted two months and her second one (the secret one) lasted 8 years. Now she's dating Jermaine Dupri (JD)." - Oh my God...JD!? Perhaps she felt drawn to his work...he is an excellent producer...
"That was unconditional love for ya. Thank you. To give up what you've work so hard for. (A tear forms in my eye. My heart flutters. I am touched.)" - oooh, so sweet *tender face*! You are most welcome *bowing*! Here's a handkerchief... :D...
"Thank you. Don't worry, you don't have to give me your numbers, but it was so moving that you would. ;D" - lol don't mention it, darling :). No doubt, I would give them to you or to any of my friends :D!
"Definitely interested in building the numbers back up." - great! I already left at your place the link to join Big Bang :D!!
Warm Cheers.
Hi! Although I've had issues with my faith, I still find comfort in prayer.
ReplyDeleteI often find myself driving along and reciting the same old one. I live in hope that it happens.
I'm not a very good catholic, as I often mix prayer with cursing the one that I look to for help.
Perhaps I believe and perhaps I don't. Perhaps I'm just another doubting thomas.
Sorry to be so negative but that's how I feel.
Take Care,
Peter
Hi Peter,
ReplyDeleteAlthough I've had issues with my faith, I still find comfort in prayer." - finding comfort in your prayers is already something very beautiful and positive, my friend :). Perhaps you have less issues with your faith than you think *bowing*...
"I often find myself driving along and reciting the same old one. I live in hope that it happens." - Sometimes people pray and at the same time they think "I don't even know why I am doing this, it won't happen anyway"...once they send these words to their energetic field, everything is doomed...*nodding*...
"I'm not a very good catholic, as I often mix prayer with cursing the one that I look to for help." - LOL well, nobody's perfect, right? (this reminded me of something, now lol...I think I have written this before lol..). Ah, who doesn't say a few negative words every now and then? I can assure you that God has heard worse, seen worse. As a catholic you weren't taught about karma, but this concept is many times the reason behind the unanswered prayers...
"Perhaps I believe and perhaps I don't. Perhaps I'm just another doubting thomas." - from what I have read in your blog, I would say that you believe more than you doubt (your work is a reflection of God's love, compassion...you help healing people, which could be viewed as an extension of Jesus' work - since you are Catholic) *tender face*!
"Sorry to be so negative but that's how I feel." - never be sorry for expressing your feelings, my friend. The MaxZone is judgement free; people have the freedom to express themselves *bowing*! :D
Cheers
Thank you for Max! She will accomplish your mission.
ReplyDeleteI forgot to include this in the last comment, I've taken interest in R&B music too. Cheers Max.
Hi Max! Your missive is as Livingsword said
ReplyDelete"not to be missed"
And it would be wise for us all to consider writing such a letter now and again! I hope that all is well with you ! "see" you soon!
Hey Manimala,
ReplyDeleteYou are most welcome *bowing*!
R&B music rocks, man!!! I just love it!!! :D
Cheers
Hello Genevieve!
ReplyDeleteThank you *bowing*! :D
Yes, even God likes to receive a letter from His beloved children :D!
Everything is well, thank you :D!
I see you soon, darling :D!
Cheers
beautiful photo & the prayer...we are all servants of God & to thee we surrender...have a nice time!!
ReplyDeleteHello dear Maximus….
ReplyDeleteMy words about Tupak were just a simple bit of local “color”. You cannot always judge a person by their “followers”, for that matter just because somebody says they are following somebody doesn’t mean they actually are a dedicated and loyal follower, such is also true in the faith “department”.
By the way do you have a good throwing arm?
I can’t convert anybody! LOL
And of course just because somebody goes to the Church doesn’t mean they are a genuine followers, the same was true when Jesus walked the ground in New Testament times….
You said:
"Max it is always interesting how you try to infuse Eastern religious theology, doctrine and dogma like reincarnation and karma into the Bible." - LOL LS, reincarnation and karma are not exclusive to Eastern religious theology. European pagans already had these concepts way before India was discovered and any cultural/religious information could be exchanged; even the Africans have this concepts way before Europeans and Indians went there.
I respond:
You are correct that others besides Easter belief systems believe in reincarnation, Kabbalah would be another…
It is not at all surprising that people would want to come up with a system to earn their way to God, they like to feel like they deserve to be with Him, when nobody deserves to be with Him, none of us are good enough, we all miss His glorious Holy standard.
You said:
"Only the fringe anti-Biblical groups like Kabbalists attempt to do this with reincarnation (and other anti-Biblical esoteric concepts), no reputable rabbi or Christian theologian would do so, and of course another anti-Biblical fringe group that attempts this would be the Gnostics. I am so very thankful that grace slays karma…." - Are you saying that Rabbi Moses de Leon (who published, in 1280, the Zohar), Rabbi Menasseh Ben Israel (who was born in Portugal, in 1604) and other rabbis who believe in the Kabbalah are not reputable? There are Chasidic Rabbis who believe in the Kabbalah, aren't they reputable? Well, it's your opinion and it deserves to be respected *bowing*...
I respond:
This time you gave an answer I could predict, turnabout is fair play. LOL
Actually there is a lot of debate as to who wrote the Zohar. Rabbi Shimon bar Yochai, and others are considered to be the writers. The Zohar is not the Bible including the Old Testament….
It would be like Christians holding up the writings of John Calvin in such a manner, although his writings much closer identify with what Scripture is actually teaching.
With due respect to Rabbi Moses de Leon he had some strange ideas such as accepting that the South American Andes Indians were the descendants of the lost ten tribes of Israel (this brings in shades of Mormonism).
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menasseh_Ben_Israel
I do like his emphasis on the Messiah, but he missed Him…. Very smart man but once again a lack of centeredness upon Scripture is a major issue.
As far as the Chasidic Rabbis I see no reason to temper my comment….
Kabbalah pushes things that are alien upon Scripture, often trying to force symbolism upon clearly literal texts.
Obviously I hold nothing personal against any of those we are discussing (I mean them no disrespect), I just happen to believe that they want Scripture to say something other than it does and so they push things upon it, similarly to how certain groups do while claiming to be Christian. I want to be conformed to Scripture not conform Scripture to what I want it to say….
You said:
I guess it is easier for you to accept that following Jesus, a man, can save you; rather than accepting the fact that what you do will bear consequences (it may not be like many mystics say; for example, I don't believe that if you break somebody's leg your leg will be broken; but I believe that the pain you inflicted by breaking somebody's legs will return to you, only under different circumstances).
I respond:
Very interesting Max…. Thought provoking, one of the many reasons I enjoy our conversations so much…
If Jesus had been just a man He could not save. He is however from the Christian point of view the God-man. Yes the Bible teaches that salvation is by God’s grace alone, through faith alone, by Jesus alone. Yet Scripture clearly tells us of cause and affect, remember I have told you that if you want to say karma in a non-mystical way (non-Easter religious), cause and effect then that is a different ball game. We reap what we sow; I will gift you with a portion of Scripture I think you will like:
Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. People reap what they sow. Those who sow to please their sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; those who sow to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. - - Galatians 6:7-8 (TNIV) (By your favourite Apostle, a smile I give you my friend)
Keep in mind that there is a difference in salvation, sanctification, and glorification.
We are not saved by good works, we are saved unto good works, and not everybody will receive the same reward in Heaven or in Hell the same punishment.
By the way Max I did notice you said: “I don’t believe” which means you are touching the conversation with your real beliefs and not just engaging in delightful dialogue.
You said:
Reincarnation is not anti-biblical, although I understand that this might be hard for most people to understand and accept. It is written: "Your dead will live; their corpses will rise you who lie in the dust, awake and shout for joy, for your dew is as the dew of the dawn, and the earth will give birth to the departed spirits" (Isaiah 26:19), you will probably say that this passage is referring to ressurection; but it is not (interpret the signs free of Christian dogma, free of any pre-judgement; and you will see that this is referring to reincarnation). "That which has been already and that which will be has already been, for God seeks what has passed by" (Ecclesiastes 3:15) this clearly speaks of reincarnation and karma ("God seeks what has passed by", what for? So that you suffer the consequences of your actions).
I respond:
The passage of Isaiah 26:19 when looked at it free of superimposed non-Biblical beliefs to parallel (smile between us) is clearly not about reincarnation. Before I was a Christian or had any idea what Christian theology would have said about this passage I would never have thought it could mean reincarnation, much the opposite. If the Bible teaches reincarnation I want to believe it. I believe the Bible is the Word of God and willingly submit myself to conforming to it, but it does not teach reincarnation….
Lets give this passage some context:
17 As a pregnant woman about to give birth
writhes and cries out in her pain,
so were we in your presence, LORD.
18 We were with child, we writhed in pain,
but we gave birth to wind.
We have not brought salvation to the earth,
and the people of the world have not been reborn.
19 But your dead will live, LORD;
their bodies will rise—
let those who dwell in the dust
wake up and shout for joy—
your dew is like the dew of the morning;
you will make it fall on the spirits of the dead.
20 Go, my people, enter your rooms
and shut the doors behind you;
hide yourselves for a little while
until his wrath has passed by.
21 See, the LORD is coming out of his dwelling
to punish the people of the earth for their sins.
The earth will disclose the blood shed on it;
the earth will conceal its slain no longer.
- - Isaiah 26:17-21 (TNIV)
Max this passage is clearly against reincarnation and actually in favor of resurrection. Resurrection is not just New Testament, the Jews were teaching it from Scripture before the Christians came along.
The passage from Ecclesiastes 3:15 is interesting and we have looked at it before, here is some context:
14 I know that everything God does will endure forever; nothing can be added to it and nothing taken from it. God does it so that people will fear him.
15 Whatever is has already been,
and what will be has been before;
and God will call the past to account.
16 And I saw something else under the sun:
In the place of judgment—wickedness was there,
in the place of justice—wickedness was there.
17 I said to myself,
"God will bring into judgment
both the righteous and the wicked,
for there will be a time for every activity,
a time to judge every deed."
Justice, judgment and God as Judge and Sovereign of time are in view. For God yesterday, today and tomorrow are the same, He is omnipresent, eternal, and outside of time which is a creation of His, He owns it. Reincarnation is not here and neither is karma (in the Eastern sense), judgment is here; God’s character is also described here.
You said:
Now, to speak your language: "Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, he was asking his disciples, «who do people say that the son of man is?» and they said «Some say John the Baptist, and others, Elijah; but still others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets»" (Mathew 16:13-14) it is clear to see that the thought of Jesus being the reincarnation of all those prophets was not unacceptable. "And his disciples asked him, «Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?» and he answered and said «Elijah is coming and will restore all things; but I say to you that Elijah already came, and they did not recognise him, but did to him whatever they wished. So also the son of man is going to suffer at their hands.»" (Mathew 17:10-12) Jesus himself admits reincarnation, although obviously his followers didn't understand it as such; "they did not recognise him" you recognise flesh, a person; or the energy (but that is another story); Elijah reincarnated, and many say, as John Baptist.
I respond:
Max here is some context to Mathew 16:13-14:
13 When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, "Who do people say the Son of Man is?"
14 They replied, "Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets."
15 "But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?"
16 Simon Peter answered, "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God."
17 Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven
(TNIV)
The area around Caesarea Philippi was actually pagan it former name was Baal Hermon then it was Panaes (or Panias depending on the transliteration, the word is the same in the original). It was named after the Greek god Pan who according to pagan mythology was born in a nearby cave. Here is a piece of info to verify this….
http://www.bibleplaces.com/banias.htm
The locals were aware of Jewish teachings but were pagan so of course they infused paganism into their views…
By the way this passage clearly teaches Jesus is the Messiah….
John the Baptist was typologically the same as Elijah (we have already had this conversation). How do I know this because Scripture make tells us right here:
11 Then an angel of the Lord appeared to him, standing at the right side of the altar of incense. 12 When Zechariah saw him, he was startled and was gripped with fear. 13 But the angel said to him: "Do not be afraid, Zechariah; your prayer has been heard. Your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you are to call him John. 14 He will be a joy and delight to you, and many will rejoice because of his birth, 15 for he will be great in the sight of the Lord. He is never to take wine or other fermented drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit even before he is born. 16 Many of the people of Israel will he bring back to the Lord their God. 17 And he will go on before the Lord, in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the parents to their children and the disobedient to the wisdom of the righteous—to make ready a people prepared for the Lord."
- - Luke 1:11-17 TNIV
Jesus didn’t teach reincarnation he repeatedly tells us of resurrection:
17 On his arrival, Jesus found that Lazarus had already been in the tomb for four days. 18 Now Bethany was less than two miles from Jerusalem, 19 and many Jews had come to Martha and Mary to comfort them in the loss of their brother. 20 When Martha heard that Jesus was coming, she went out to meet him, but Mary stayed at home.
21 "Lord," Martha said to Jesus, "if you had been here, my brother would not have died. 22 But I know that even now God will give you whatever you ask."
23 Jesus said to her, "Your brother will rise again."
24 Martha answered, "I know he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day."
25 Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. Anyone who believes in me will live, even though they die; 26 and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?"
27 "Yes, Lord," she told him, "I believe that you are the Messiah, the Son of God, who was to come into the world."
- - John 11:21-27
Jesus said “I am the resurrection and the life” not “the reincarnation and life”, the word reincarnation is never used in Scripture.
You said:
"He remembered that they were but flesh, a passing breeze that does not return.- - Psalm 78:29" - it is true, the flesh doesn't return; but the spirit does; and that is what it is called reincarnation - the spirit re-entering flesh.
I respond:
Psalm 78:39 “He remembered that they were but flesh, a passing breeze that does not return.” The Hebrew word for “they” is an intimate personal pronoun in the Hebrew which is emphatic it is grammatically coordinated with “flesh” to be inclusive, this phrase means all that we are. Here is another translation:
For he remembered that they were merely mortal,
gone like a breath of wind that never returns.
- - NLT
You said:
"5 For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even their name is forgotten.
6 Their love, their hate and their jealousy have long since vanished; never again will they have a part in anything that happens under the sun. - - Ecclesiastes 9:3-6" - indeed, that is why most people do not remember their past lives; they don't remember (conscienciously) who they loved, hated, their jealousy etc...it is all allegedly gone with their previous body (cause the id keeps all the information brought from previous lives; our memory, knowledge is all we take when we die - and this is what explains many "psychological" disturbances; what explains why we don't like certain people [allegedly without even having met them] etc. However, there are people who do remember...
I respond:
The words “never again will they have a part in anything that happens under the sun” mean they will not be reincarnated.
Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,
- - Hebrews 9:27 NLT
By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return."
- - Genesis 3:19 TNIV
You said:
"Jesus answered him, "It is also written: 'Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’" - - Matthew 4:5-7" - I agree with Jesus, we must never put God to the test; still He keeps me from touching the ground.
I respond:
I also love this portion of Scripture…. (take that as me talking about the quote from the OT if you like)
You said:
"…. And displays how the one and only Servant-Messiah will suffer… Verse 10 is such a glorious verse…." - David was a servant messiah, Saul was a servant messiah, Jesus was a servant Messiah, many rabbis have been servant messiah and they all suffered; he will be the Servant Messiah and I am sure he will suffer too, since pain and suffering is inherent to human condition, to matter...
I respond:
Scripture always gives a singularity to the Messiah in the context we have been using it Max (that is not to say there are not typologies, actually Joseph form the OT is probably a good example, but the promised Messiah as we have been conversing goes very well beyond any of these others to say the least), just as in this text:
60 Then the high priest stood up before them and asked Jesus, "Are you not going to answer? What is this testimony that these men are bringing against you?" 61 But Jesus remained silent and gave no answer.
Again the high priest asked him, "Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?"
62 "I am," said Jesus. "And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven."
- - Mark 14:60-62 TNIV
Yes there is suffering in the world since we live in a fallen universe. But the goal in life is not the elimination of all suffering, besides life is so fantastic I see no need to sink into Buddhist negativism.
You said:
"Max a wonderfully laden…encapsulation of your thoughts… Thank you for sharing something so personal, I hope my words do not come off as uncaring, as you know the opposite is true…" - LS, my friend, I thank you for having provided me with such a nice time *bowing*. As always, I loved our conversation :).
I respond:
Prayer is such a personal intimate thing, so I believe it should be approached with care, because of this I would rarely give such an analysis but I know we are cool with these things. I have left prayers on my blog before and on others also and know how special it can be. I truly appreciate your openness. As I have said before, you are the special one (besides what has Jose done lately? LOL)
Thanks so much for taking the time and effort to interact with me.
L
Hey Kalyan,
ReplyDeleteThank you so much *bowing*!
Amen :D!
Have a nice week, my friend :)!
Cheers
Hello LSimus,
ReplyDelete"My words about Tupak were just a simple bit of local “color”. You cannot always judge a person by their “followers”, for that matter just because somebody says they are following somebody doesn’t mean they actually are a dedicated and loyal follower, such is also true in the faith “department”." - I hear you, my friend :).
"By the way do you have a good throwing arm?" - LOL LOL Well, I never played baseball nor American Football; but when I used to play Voleyball I was pretty good. Nowadays...well, I don't know anymore LOL...
"I can’t convert anybody! LOL" - Oh, I forgot...my bad! LOL...
"And of course just because somebody goes to the Church doesn’t mean they are a genuine followers, the same was true when Jesus walked the ground in New Testament times…" - you are right, LS; you are right...I can't argue with you on that one...
"It is not at all surprising that people would want to come up with a system to earn their way to God, they like to feel like they deserve to be with Him, when nobody deserves to be with Him, none of us are good enough, we all miss His glorious Holy standard." - it isn't a question of being good enough to deserve to be with Him or not; it is a question of serving Him and fulfilling the task He gives us. If we fail to complete the mission He sent us for we don't deserve to be (or see) Him; it is as simple as that.
"This time you gave an answer I could predict, turnabout is fair play. LOL" - LOL congratulations...perhaps your third eye is opening lol...
"Actually there is a lot of debate as to who wrote the Zohar. Rabbi Shimon bar Yochai, and others are considered to be the writers. The Zohar is not the Bible including the Old Testament…" - I know it isn't the bible, LS. Still, was Rabbi Shimon bar Yochai not reputable?
"With due respect to Rabbi Moses de Leon he had some strange ideas such as accepting that the South American Andes Indians were the descendants of the lost ten tribes of Israel (this brings in shades of Mormonism)." - LOL well, it was his opinion (or should I say Antonio de Montesino's?). I must say that I think it to be a bit farfetched...
"I do like his emphasis on the Messiah, but he missed Him…. Very smart man but once again a lack of centeredness upon Scripture is a major issue." - *nodding*...Scripture...not everything that IS is in the Scripture.
"Kabbalah pushes things that are alien upon Scripture, often trying to force symbolism upon clearly literal texts." - nothing is clearly literal (words specially); and as I said: not all the mysteries of God would, could, fit in the Scripture.
"Obviously I hold nothing personal against any of those we are discussing (I mean them no disrespect), I just happen to believe that they want Scripture to say something other than it does and so they push things upon it, similarly to how certain groups do while claiming to be Christian. I want to be conformed to Scripture not conform Scripture to what I want it to say…." - LOL do you always act according to Scripture? Are you 100% loyal to it?
"Very interesting Max…. Thought provoking, one of the many reasons I enjoy our conversations so much…" - likewise, my friend *bowing*.
"If Jesus had been just a man He could not save." - people have set their minds to the thought that Jesus could save them, simply because he had special mental powers (given by God, no doubt about that).
"Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. People reap what they sow. Those who sow to please their sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; those who sow to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. - - Galatians 6:7-8 (TNIV) (By your favourite Apostle, a smile I give you my friend)" - LOL LOL and what a kind smile you have, my friend...thank you :)! Karma (cause and effect) goes beyond Inflammatory P's words (which are not incorrect, simply incomplete): it is a question of fulfilling one's mission; it is a question of suffering the consequences for one's actions (that go beyond of whether you practice asceticism or not; if you profess a certain religion or not; if you follow Jesus, a guru, or not)...it is all about doing what God sent you to do.
If we come to earth and forget about our Creator, and speak against God this builds bad karma; and causes grounds to the never ending cycle of re-birth.
"We are not saved by good works, we are saved unto good works, and not everybody will receive the same reward in Heaven or in Hell the same punishment." - hum...very interesting..."Even if the other man lives a thousand years twice and does not enjoy good things - do not all go to one place?" (Ecclesiastes 6:6)...we all go to the same place; reward is to stay in the first-realm, "punishment" is to come back.
"By the way Max I did notice you said: “I don’t believe” which means you are touching the conversation with your real beliefs and not just engaging in delightful dialogue." - LOL LOL oops...LOL...
"The passage of Isaiah 26:19 when looked at it free of superimposed non-Biblical beliefs to parallel (smile between us) is clearly not about reincarnation. Before I was a Christian or had any idea what Christian theology would have said about this passage I would never have thought it could mean reincarnation, much the opposite. If the Bible teaches reincarnation I want to believe it. I believe the Bible is the Word of God and willingly submit myself to conforming to it, but it does not teach reincarnation…." - lol lol *nodding*...well, you would not have thought it could mean reincarnation, because you probably didn't want to see it; or didn't know how to see it. The Bible mentions reincarnation, and your not accepting it proves that you are not willing to believe it; but it is quite all right...I still like you lol.
The Bible does not contain all the things that God is capable of; nor all the things that ARE. It was intended that way with a purpose; this being said I understand your non-acceptance of concepts that are not clearly stated in the Bible (yes, because although the Bible doesn't clearly admit the existence of a lot of things that ARE, it allows us to take small glimpses at it - this is what is called signs).
"Max this passage is clearly against reincarnation and actually in favor of resurrection. Resurrection is not just New Testament, the Jews were teaching it from Scripture before the Christians came along." - as I previously said (in my counter-comment), I was expecting you to say this. You see it as resurrection, I see it as reincarnation; and I won't change my view unless God Himself comes to me and states that you are right, and I am wrong...He didn't so far, so I guess we may both be right on this one...
"Justice, judgment and God as Judge and Sovereign of time are in view. For God yesterday, today and tomorrow are the same, He is omnipresent, eternal, and outside of time which is a creation of His, He owns it. Reincarnation is not here and neither is karma (in the Eastern sense), judgment is here; God’s character is also described here." - I agree with everything you said in the first part of this sentence; but I disagree that Karma and reincarnation are not present in the Bible - you refuse to see it cause it is not your role to see it...
"The area around Caesarea Philippi was actually pagan it former name was Baal Hermon then it was Panaes (or Panias depending on the transliteration, the word is the same in the original). It was named after the Greek god Pan who according to pagan mythology was born in a nearby cave. Here is a piece of info to verify this…" - Caesarea Philippi is a beautiful place, indeed :).
"By the way this passage clearly teaches Jesus is the Messiah…." - he can be viewed as the Messiah, since he was elected (annointed) by God to complete the first part of God's two-in-one plan...
"John the Baptist was typologically the same as Elijah (we have already had this conversation). How do I know this because Scripture make tells us right here:" - yes, we have had this conversation before but you keep coming back to the same issues...so I am just playing your game...
"And he will go on before the Lord, in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the parents to their children and the disobedient to the wisdom of the righteous—to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.- - Luke 1:11-17 TNIV" - exactly, John Baptist was the reincarnation of Elijah; the text is quite clear about this. Same mission, same spirit, similar idyosincracies, different body.
"Jesus didn’t teach reincarnation he repeatedly tells us of resurrection" - he spoke of reincarnation when he said that Elijah had returned and nobody had noticed (when speaking of John Baptist).
"Jesus said “I am the resurrection and the life” not “the reincarnation and life”, the word reincarnation is never used in Scripture." - he spoke of resurrection and practiced it to show that he had been sent by God to fulfill a special mission. It was God's sign. As I said the Scripture didn't clearly state many things with a purpose; it didn't include all that IS with a purpose. Otherwise, how could we have the different religious groups in the world? God intended all of them to exist; it was part of His plan.
"For he remembered that they were merely mortal, gone like a breath of wind that never returns.- - NLT" - it doesn't alter the sense, mortal implies body (which dies gone like a breath and never returns - you said that the OT taught resurrection, this passage contradicts that theory). Body dies, but the spirit lives forever, until it comes back (if so ordered by God).
"The words “never again will they have a part in anything that happens under the sun” mean they will not be reincarnated." - those who must stay in the first-realm don't come back, by God's order, and they don't ever participate on earthly matters again. But this doesn't aplly to every soul.
"Yes there is suffering in the world since we live in a fallen universe. But the goal in life is not the elimination of all suffering, besides life is so fantastic I see no need to sink into Buddhist negativism." - it is impossible to eliminate all suffering; it will never end because of Men's many devices...
"Prayer is such a personal intimate thing, so I believe it should be approached with care, because of this I would rarely give such an analysis but I know we are cool with these things. I have left prayers on my blog before and on others also and know how special it can be. I truly appreciate your openness. As I have said before, you are the special one (besides what has Jose done lately? LOL)" - You are right: we are cool with these things :). The MaxZone is a place for free expression of the self; you and anyone are most welcome to share your thoughts (which are my favourite book) :)! Thank you, my friend :)! LOL Jose has been watching some Sporting games...rumour has it that he is thinking about coaching Sporting, but I doubt the club has the money to pay him...
"Thanks so much for taking the time and effort to interact with me." - it was my pleasure, L :). I thank you for being so patient with me :)...
Cheers
Max, I have a tag for you
ReplyDeletehttp://liz.mommyslittlecorner.com/2008/02/another-linky-love.html
Happy Tuesday.
Hehe, this is my 4th round ;) I have an award for you
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No irony here, but I love the letter!
ReplyDeleteAs you know, I'm an atheist... yet I love the way you talk to God. It's so fresh, so inspiring I can tell you're a good person, not sure how I can explain that. I like your take on religion. I doesn't sound phony like some people, it's not propaganda or proselytism like a lot here and it's honest above all.
Love it.
Hey Liza,
ReplyDeleteThanks, dear; I am on my way to your place :D!
Happy Tuesday!
Cheers
Liza,
ReplyDeleteAnother Award!? Wow...thank you *bowing*! I feel honoured :D!
Let me go grab it then :D!
Cheers
Hey Zhu,
ReplyDelete"No irony here, but I love the letter!" - merci, ma chérie :D!
"As you know, I'm an atheist... yet I love the way you talk to God. It's so fresh, so inspiring I can tell you're a good person, not sure how I can explain that." - yes, I know that you are atheist; yet an enlightened and respectful one (believe me). You don't have to explain anything, just let your heart do the talking (and I understand its language perfectly) :D!
"I like your take on religion. I doesn't sound phony like some people, it's not propaganda or proselytism like a lot here and it's honest above all." - lol God shouldn't be marketed and I am against proselytism (I think that people should each find their own spiritual path; and then look for guidance if they wish).
Zhu, mon amie; thank you so much for your kind, prejudice-free, comment, it is much appreciated *bowing*!
Cheers
Max, I am leaving your blog, because it is time for beauty sleep - okay may be I will visit couple of more blogger friends, lol, with a tear in my eye and smile too. Your faith, and sense of humor are refreshing, yet very inspirational. I thank God for knowing you. Anna :)
ReplyDeleteHey Anna,
ReplyDeleteLOL I like your honesty :D! I hope you had a good night sleep :)!
Oooh, that is so sweet: thank you *bowing*! May God bless you, my friend :D!
I think that I am partially blushing lol...
Cheers
Hey Max, I think I can feel the heat then, lol, and you are most welcome. Anna :)
ReplyDeleteHey Anna,
ReplyDelete"I think I can feel the heat then, lol" - LOL LOL LOL that was a great one *nodding*!
Thanks for the laugh, dear :D!
Cheers
Hi Max;
ReplyDeleteCatch up time LOL
You said:
"It is not at all surprising that people would want to come up with a system to earn their way to God, they like to feel like they deserve to be with Him, when nobody deserves to be with Him, none of us are good enough, we all miss His glorious Holy standard." - it isn't a question of being good enough to deserve to be with Him or not; it is a question of serving Him and fulfilling the task He gives us. If we fail to complete the mission He sent us for we don't deserve to be (or see) Him; it is as simple as that.
I respond:
Our mission is perfection. We fail. Thank God for Jesus and grace….
You said:
"Actually there is a lot of debate as to who wrote the Zohar. Rabbi Shimon bar Yochai, and others are considered to be the writers. The Zohar is not the Bible including the Old Testament…" - I know it isn't the bible, LS. Still, was Rabbi Shimon bar Yochai not reputable?
I respond:
He was no Calvin, Augustine, Athanasius, or Metzger. The Zohar itself is not reputable so association with it is hardly positive….
The error filled theology of the Zohar is detrimental to a relationship with God. It’s central emphasis upon a polarity of gender within the Godhead to the point of dualism is extremely anti-Biblical (OT and NT). It forces eroticism upon the biblical text and upon God. These concepts echo Gnosticism, which is equally anti-Biblical. Both bring in sources form outside Scripture and try to force God and the Scripture into their little boxes, often doing this while often forcing symbolism upon literal portions of the text.
Its eschatological goals are alien to Scripture. The Zohar is a perverted view of Scripture, whether form a Christian view or Jewish.
You said:
"With due respect to Rabbi Moses de Leon he had some strange ideas such as accepting that the South American Andes Indians were the descendants of the lost ten tribes of Israel (this brings in shades of Mormonism)." - LOL well, it was his opinion (or should I say Antonio de Montesino's?). I must say that I think it to be a bit farfetched...
I respond:
Farfetched is generous my friend, these are the kinds of issues that arise when one goes far a field of the Biblical text. Symbolism is a great way to lead people astray from what the text actually says. At times yes the text is not literal but these portions are in the vast majority of cases quite clear. Most often the Bible interprets itself. The Bible never contradicts itself. Plus when people interject arguments form silence it must be recognized that they are the second weakest form of argument (attacking the person and not their ideas is the weakest although out of exacerbation it can be tempting I am guessing).
You said:
"I do like his emphasis on the Messiah, but he missed Him…. Very smart man but once again a lack of centeredness upon Scripture is a major issue." - *nodding*...Scripture...not everything that IS is in the Scripture.
I respond:
I agree not everything is in Scripture, but when ideas are contrary to Scripture they are wrong. Sound reason anchored in Scripture is better than illusional conjecture that contradicts God’s Word.
You said:
"Kabbalah pushes things that are alien upon Scripture, often trying to force symbolism upon clearly literal texts." - nothing is clearly literal (words specially); and as I said: not all the mysteries of God would, could, fit in the Scripture.
I respond:
Since you used an absolute I am wondering if you mean that in a literal way.
I agree that Scripture does not tell us everything, but arguments from silence do not trump Scripture, and neither does imposing symbolism to change the plain meaning of literal portions of texts. We are to conform to Scripture not try to conform Scripture to us….
You said:
"Obviously I hold nothing personal against any of those we are discussing (I mean them no disrespect), I just happen to believe that they want Scripture to say something other than it does and so they push things upon it, similarly to how certain groups do while claiming to be Christian. I want to be conformed to Scripture not conform Scripture to what I want it to say…." - LOL do you always act according to Scripture? Are you 100% loyal to it?
I respond:
Great question!!
I am a sinner saved by the grace of God. I worship God not Scripture. If I have an idea that I find is against Scripture I abandon it, I repent, I do not try to make it say what I want it to say. After all I came from being an atheist so obviously I am willing to change when faced with truth….
You said:
"If Jesus had been just a man He could not save." - people have set their minds to the thought that Jesus could save them, simply because he had special mental powers (given by God, no doubt about that).
I respond:
Jesus actually claimed to be able to save and actually to be the only way to be saved. No doubt God worked thru Jesus; however you are not surprised that I would not say “special mental powers”. As God worked thru Jesus His claims are authenticated, God stamps them with approval, genuine.
You said:
"Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. People reap what they sow. Those who sow to please their sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; those who sow to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. - - Galatians 6:7-8 (TNIV) (By your favourite Apostle, a smile I give you my friend)" - LOL LOL and what a kind smile you have, my friend...thank you :)! Karma (cause and effect) goes beyond Inflammatory P's words (which are not incorrect, simply incomplete): it is a question of fulfilling one's mission; it is a question of suffering the consequences for one's actions (that go beyond of whether you practice asceticism or not; if you profess a certain religion or not; if you follow Jesus, a guru, or not)...it is all about doing what God sent you to do.
If we come to earth and forget about our Creator, and speak against God this builds bad karma; and causes grounds to the never ending cycle of re-birth.
I respond:
Paul was not a proponent of asceticism, he actually spoke out against it, is this what you are saying? I may be misunderstanding….
Our mission is to follow God perfectly; we all fail, thank God for Jesus and grace….
You said:
"We are not saved by good works, we are saved unto good works, and not everybody will receive the same reward in Heaven or in Hell the same punishment." - hum...very interesting..."Even if the other man lives a thousand years twice and does not enjoy good things - do not all go to one place?" (Ecclesiastes 6:6)...we all go to the same place; reward is to stay in the first-realm, "punishment" is to come back.
I respond:
From Matthew 25 (TNIV):
31 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34 "Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'
37 "Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'
40 "The King will reply, 'Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.'
41 "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'
44 "They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'
45 "He will reply, 'Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'
46 "Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."
You said:
"By the way Max I did notice you said: “I don’t believe” which means you are touching the conversation with your real beliefs and not just engaging in delightful dialogue." - LOL LOL oops...LOL...
I respond:
LOL
Not many “oops” around here! LOL
You said:
"The passage of Isaiah 26:19 when looked at it free of superimposed non-Biblical beliefs to parallel (smile between us) is clearly not about reincarnation. Before I was a Christian or had any idea what Christian theology would have said about this passage I would never have thought it could mean reincarnation, much the opposite. If the Bible teaches reincarnation I want to believe it. I believe the Bible is the Word of God and willingly submit myself to conforming to it, but it does not teach reincarnation…." - lol lol *nodding*...well, you would not have thought it could mean reincarnation, because you probably didn't want to see it; or didn't know how to see it. The Bible mentions reincarnation, and your not accepting it proves that you are not willing to believe it; but it is quite all right...I still like you lol.
The Bible does not contain all the things that God is capable of; nor all the things that ARE. It was intended that way with a purpose; this being said I understand your non-acceptance of concepts that are not clearly stated in the Bible (yes, because although the Bible doesn't clearly admit the existence of a lot of things that ARE, it allows us to take small glimpses at it - this is what is called signs).
I respond:
I accept that the Bible does not tell us everything but I reject that which contradicts it. Other things are simply conjecture, they may be interesting to discuss but they should not shape our faith lives.
Actually Jesus did many “signs’ yet many still reject Him.
You said:
"Max this passage is clearly against reincarnation and actually in favor of resurrection. Resurrection is not just New Testament, the Jews were teaching it from Scripture before the Christians came along." - as I previously said (in my counter-comment), I was expecting you to say this. You see it as resurrection, I see it as reincarnation; and I won't change my view unless God Himself comes to me and states that you are right, and I am wrong...He didn't so far, so I guess we may both be right on this one...
I respond:
Excellent lets keep exploring God’s Word…
Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,
- - Hebrews 9:27 (TNIV)
You said:
"Justice, judgment and God as Judge and Sovereign of time are in view. For God yesterday, today and tomorrow are the same, He is omnipresent, eternal, and outside of time which is a creation of His, He owns it. Reincarnation is not here and neither is karma (in the Eastern sense), judgment is here; God’s character is also described here." - I agree with everything you said in the first part of this sentence; but I disagree that Karma and reincarnation are not present in the Bible - you refuse to see it cause it is not your role to see it...
I respond:
I can’t believe you said that! LOL LOL
That is a great escape line! LOL
But it sure doesn’t help support your point of view (or at least what you appear to be defending).
Sure is an exclusive point of view, must be one way….. :)
You said:
"The area around Caesarea Philippi was actually pagan it former name was Baal Hermon then it was Panaes (or Panias depending on the transliteration, the word is the same in the original). It was named after the Greek god Pan who according to pagan mythology was born in a nearby cave. Here is a piece of info to verify this…" - Caesarea Philippi is a beautiful place, indeed :).
I respond:
Do you prefer the pagan viewpoint over the Jewish point of view? Or do you prefer to join the two?
You said:
"By the way this passage clearly teaches Jesus is the Messiah…." - he can be viewed as the Messiah, since he was elected (annointed) by God to complete the first part of God's two-in-one plan...
I respond:
Oh yes the two in one plan, Jesus first coming and then His second coming…. One Messiah two comings… You’re becoming more Biblically orthodox all the time… :)
You said:
"John the Baptist was typologically the same as Elijah (we have already had this conversation). How do I know this because Scripture make tells us right here:" - yes, we have had this conversation before but you keep coming back to the same issues...so I am just playing your game...
I respond:
Game? Game? LOL LOL
There are some central texts on certain issues so it is true that one will come back to them. I will try to improve my entertainment value my friend….
You said:
"And he will go on before the Lord, in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the parents to their children and the disobedient to the wisdom of the righteous—to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.- - Luke 1:11-17 TNIV" - exactly, John Baptist was the reincarnation of Elijah; the text is quite clear about this. Same mission, same spirit, similar idyosincracies, different body.
I respond:
LOL
You are twisting Jesus words….
Ok Max lets ask John the Baptist (John 1:19-23 (TNIV):
Now this was John's testimony when the Jewish leaders in Jerusalem sent priests and Levites to ask him who he was. 20 He did not fail to confess, but confessed freely, "I am not the Messiah."
21 They asked him, "Then who are you? Are you Elijah?"
He said, "I am not."
"Are you the Prophet?"
He answered, "No."
22 Finally they said, "Who are you? Give us an answer to take back to those who sent us. What do you say about yourself?"
23 John replied in the words of Isaiah the prophet, "I am the voice of one calling in the wilderness, 'Make straight the way for the Lord.'
You said:
"Jesus said “I am the resurrection and the life” not “the reincarnation and life”, the word reincarnation is never used in Scripture." - he spoke of resurrection and practiced it to show that he had been sent by God to fulfill a special mission. It was God's sign. As I said the Scripture didn't clearly state many things with a purpose; it didn't include all that IS with a purpose. Otherwise, how could we have the different religious groups in the world? God intended all of them to exist; it was part of His plan.
I respond:
The Bible does clearly teach resurrection in many locations, it contradicts reincarnation therefore reincarnation is in error.
You said:
"Prayer is such a personal intimate thing, so I believe it should be approached with care, because of this I would rarely give such an analysis but I know we are cool with these things. I have left prayers on my blog before and on others also and know how special it can be. I truly appreciate your openness. As I have said before, you are the special one (besides what has Jose done lately? LOL)" - You are right: we are cool with these things :). The MaxZone is a place for free expression of the self; you and anyone are most welcome to share your thoughts (which are my favourite book) :)! Thank you, my friend :)! LOL Jose has been watching some Sporting games...rumour has it that he is thinking about coaching Sporting, but I doubt the club has the money to pay him...
I respond:
Your friendship is cherished….
Thanks for the Jose update, I miss him he is an interesting person…
Would your family like him to go to Sporting?
Thanks for the conversation it was pleasant and engaging at the same time…
Hello LS,
ReplyDelete"Catch up time LOL" - it is always a pleasure, my friend :D!
"Our mission is perfection. We fail. Thank God for Jesus and grace…." - our mission is not always perfect for we aren't perfect either...many fail, others don't. Those who fail reincarnate, those who don't cease the cycle of re-birth....
"He was no Calvin, Augustine, Athanasius, or Metzger. The Zohar itself is not reputable so association with it is hardly positive…." - I see...so to be reputable a text or a person must be of a belief system, or a thinker, you agree with...whose concepts you can grasp...
"It’s central emphasis upon a polarity of gender within the Godhead to the point of dualism is extremely anti-Biblical (OT and NT)." - but God is both masculine and feminine, since He is the Ultimate Balance. When He says that He created man to His image He is not talking about Adam only, He is also including Eva (since He knew that He would build her).
"It forces eroticism upon the biblical text and upon God. These concepts echo Gnosticism, which is equally anti-Biblical. Both bring in sources form outside Scripture and try to force God and the Scripture into their little boxes, often doing this while often forcing symbolism upon literal portions of the text." - the Songs of Songs is filled with eroticism, you even quoted an extremely erotic passage in your Survivor article. The Scripture does not include all of God's Glory, Magnificence and Excellence; no one can say that God didn't inspire other texts to speak of what couldn't be included in the Bible. If Inflammatory P has the right to shine why can't the authors of the Zohar, or Gnostics for all that matter?
"I agree not everything is in Scripture, but when ideas are contrary to Scripture they are wrong. Sound reason anchored in Scripture is better than illusional conjecture that contradicts God’s Word." - if not everything IS in the scripture how can things that may be supported by what ISN'T be wrong? But if not all of God's Words are there how can you know that arguments are illusional conjecture and that they contradict the the entirety of God's Words?
"Since you used an absolute I am wondering if you mean that in a literal way." - *bowing*...
"I agree that Scripture does not tell us everything, but arguments from silence do not trump Scripture, and neither does imposing symbolism to change the plain meaning of literal portions of texts. We are to conform to Scripture not try to conform Scripture to us…." - many times silence is wisdom, my friend. Not everybody is prepared to hear the Truth, the whole Truth and nothing but the Truth. Your arguments remind me those of people who do not decodify signs, but I know that you are playing the role of the devil's advocate :).
"I am a sinner saved by the grace of God. I worship God not Scripture. If I have an idea that I find is against Scripture I abandon it, I repent, I do not try to make it say what I want it to say. After all I came from being an atheist so obviously I am willing to change when faced with truth…." - I see...so you are acting according to Scripture when you say that whatever is not included in the Scripture is contrary to God's words...would you care to offer us a support for this?
"Jesus actually claimed to be able to save and actually to be the only way to be saved. No doubt God worked thru Jesus; however you are not surprised that I would not say “special mental powers”. As God worked thru Jesus His claims are authenticated, God stamps them with approval, genuine." - Jesus had special mental powers bestowed upon him by God, and there is no doubt about that...but he doesn't save anybody instead he sooths people's hearts through prayer. Only God can save us, and Jesus is not God.
"Paul was not a proponent of asceticism, he actually spoke out against it, is this what you are saying? I may be misunderstanding…." - I was saying that his words reminded me of asceticism (and that is why I used the word)...
"Our mission is to follow God perfectly; we all fail, thank God for Jesus and grace…." - Our mission is our role on earth while following God (the challenge is to see if in face of life's vicissitudes we deny God or not). If one fails to follow God then his cycle of re-birth will never cease.
Interesting quote, LS :).
"LOL Not many “oops” around here! LOL" - LOL LOL do you think it was an absolute real one LOL?
"I accept that the Bible does not tell us everything but I reject that which contradicts it. Other things are simply conjecture, they may be interesting to discuss but they should not shape our faith lives." - what you are saying is a contradiction itself, my friend: you accept that the Bible does not tell us everything yet you reject what IS but is not included in the Bible. How can one reject what one doesn't know? How can one call conjecture to what he hasn't seen nor read yet? Interesting....
"Actually Jesus did many “signs’ yet many still reject Him." - I think that many accept his signs, but they reject that he is God.
"Excellent lets keep exploring God’s Word…" - LOL....yes, let's...
"Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, - - Hebrews 9:27 (TNIV)" - Inflammatory P's philosophy is not God's words. The same way you reject what IS he has done the same....
"I can’t believe you said that! LOL LOL That is a great escape line! LOL" - is it? :)
"But it sure doesn’t help support your point of view (or at least what you appear to be defending)." - my friend, even Jesus said "do not give what is holy to dogs, do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces" (Mathew 7:6)...I am just following your master's wise advice. It is not my place to convince you of everything that IS.
"Sure is an exclusive point of view, must be one way….. :)" - :)
"Do you prefer the pagan viewpoint over the Jewish point of view? Or do you prefer to join the two?" - Interesting...why are you bringing Judaism into this conversation? :)
"Oh yes the two in one plan, Jesus first coming and then His second coming…. One Messiah two comings… You’re becoming more Biblically orthodox all the time… :)" - LOL LOL....
"There are some central texts on certain issues so it is true that one will come back to them. I will try to improve my entertainment value my friend…." - LOL LOL you kill me, LS....lol....
"LOL You are twisting Jesus words…." - I am not, I am just looking at it beyond the mask of Christianity....
""I am not." " - He could have not known this; yet Jesus did...
"23 John replied in the words of Isaiah the prophet, "I am the voice of one calling in the wilderness, 'Make straight the way for the Lord.'" - LS, as I said he could have not known who he was in fact; but Jesus knew...
"The Bible does clearly teach resurrection in many locations, it contradicts reincarnation therefore reincarnation is in error." - is this the time when you reject what you accept not to be in the Scripture?
"Your friendship is cherished…." - likewise, dear :D!
"Thanks for the Jose update, I miss him he is an interesting person…" - you are welcome *bowing*!
"Would your family like him to go to Sporting?" - LOL my mom yes; my brother no; my father did not pronounce himself on this....
"Thanks for the conversation it was pleasant and engaging at the same time…" - no need to thank me, the pleasure was all mine, my friend :D!
Cheers