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"Our Doctrine is that there is no mission we can't accomplish" - Ariel Sharon (1928-2014)
Ariel Sharon was one of the leading figures who helped to shape the State of Israel. He served his country impeccably. This week, we are going to focus on one of his most controversial decisions: the unilateral withdrawal from the Gaza Strip.
Quick summary: on the 12th of September of 2005, the State of Israel concluded the operation of uprooting its own people from their homes, from their land, in order to basically give Gaza, plus parts of Samaria, to Fatah and Hamas.
Hussein Ibish wrote (in Foreign Policy) "Sharon was not the Israeli leader who would make a final peace agreement with the Palestinians. But he did take a major step, the implications of which Palestinians and Israelis alike cannot underestimate: he evacuated settlements in both Gaza and the northern West Bank. Sharon did not do this in the interests of peace. He did it as an Israeli national imperative (..)"
I agree with Ibish when he says Ariel Sharon did not implement the Disengagement Plan to make peace with the "Palestinians", but I am not certain I agree that he has done it as an Israeli national imperative. In my opinion, he did it to prove a point.
Israel has been under international pressure practically since its re-birth. Even its closest ally (the United States of America), to accommodate its own interests near the Arab World, has over the years felt it had the right to sometimes publicly depict Israel as the Bad Boy of the Middle East (ME).
Of course the US supports Israel; of course America cooperates with Israel; but it is undeniable that the United States have been having a fruitless policy of condemning the Israeli "settlements" (knowing well they are not illegal, just like President Reagan said) that has caused more harm than good in the region. America has been sending the wrong messages to the Arab World since the 60's and for that it should admit that if there is not Peace between Israel and the Arabs is because the US made sure that peace wouldn't take place. President Barack Obama, on behalf of the United States of America, should apologise to Israel for that. But I digress....
The international community insists on putting Israel under pressure to give land to the Arabs - and divide its own capital in half (as if Jerusalem were Berlin) - because they are under the illusion that by doing so all the problems in the Middle East will end. Ariel Sharon proved them wrong.
Gaza was handed over to Fatah and Hamas. Did they make use of donation funds to build a state and prove that they were capable of complying with the Oslo Accords? No, they did not. Instead, they used aid funds (and still do) to finance their terror activities from the minute they received the title deeds of the land.
Soon after Israel disengaged from the Strip and parts of Samaria, "Palestinians" were already chanting in the streets that Gaza wasn't enough and that the resistance would continue until they'd get the whole of Jewish Land - America and Europe are well aware of this fact yet they choose to ignore it and proceed with their failed ME policies.
Since 2005, Israel's security has significantly deteriorated; and the world is trying to convince us that if Israel disengages from Judea & Samaria it will be better off? Doing so would guarantee the annihilation of the Jewish State.
Ariel Sharon, ע"ה, proved that giving land for peace is not viable; so Israel must not bow down to the international community, not any longer.
Time to make your case.
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Nice analysis. I agree with you completely.
ReplyDeleteI think he also proved that many in the west are just interested in exploiting the "Palestinians" to further their anti-semitism.
Hi Looney :D!
DeleteThank you *bowing*.
Touché!
Looney, thank you ever so much for your input :D.
Cheers
Israel has been accommodating the international community practically since her inception and still it isn't enough. It seemed that after the Nazis there wouldn't be the expression of anti-Semitism ever again, but we are wrong: the apotheosis of anti-Semitism is now with the whole world, including apparent allies, wanting the destruction of the Jewish state! Shame on them!
ReplyDeleteHi Anonymous :D!
DeleteAnti-Semitism isn't over, my friend. I accept criticism to Israeli policies but the way people do it, the tone, the rejection to compromise and accept the facts point out to anti-Semitic behaviour. It has happened before so we know the signs.
Anonymous, thank you so much for your input :D.
Cheers
This is a different analysis: yes, Sharon did prove the world wrong! If Israel were to give Samaria and Judea to the Arabs we can be sure that Israel would be annihilated. Plus, why should Israel giver her land to thieves? Stay strong, Israel!
ReplyDeleteHi Joseph :D!
DeleteThank you *bowing*.
Good question....
Joseph, thank you so much for your input :D.
Cheers
We have a children's book called "If you give a mouse a cookie". It says something like, "If you give a mouse a cookie, he is going to want a glass of milk to go with it. And if you give him the glass of milk, he is going to also want...." You get the idea. I think giving Palestine the "cookie" makes them just want more.....
ReplyDeleteHi Delirious :D!
DeleteYes, that is exactly it. Excellent example!
I agree with you.
D, thank you ever so much for your input :D.
Cheers
I find this article offensive! How dare you say that giving land for peace is not viable? The Israeli-Palestinian problem is the main problem in the heart of the middle east, solving the problem finishes it completely! Israel must end the occupation and withdraw to pre-1967 borders, Max! And it will happen no matter what you zionists and friends do!
ReplyDeleteYou spoke of making a case: what case?! There's no case to be made cause you guys are occupiers of Palestinian land and you guys support and apartheid state! Ariel Sharon was a criminal of war but good riddance to him! Down with the Zionist Movement!
Celia, Celia, Celia...in what world have you been living? Show me one proof that giving land for peace is viable. How well did it work for Gaza, the main hub of terror? And how is the Arab-Israeli conflict the main problem in the Middle East? Look around, Israel is the only country in the region that enjoys relative peace and sustainable economic development. Occupation?! How do you occupy your own land? Laughable!
DeletePM Harper: “Most disgracefully of all, some openly call Israel an apartheid state,”
“Think about that. Think about the twisted logic and outright malice behind that: A state, based on freedom, democracy and the rule of law, that was founded so Jews can flourish, as Jews, and seek shelter from the shadow of the worst racist experiment in history, that is condemned, and that condemnation is masked in the language of anti-racism. It is nothing short of sickening.”
Celia, you are illogical, twisted and a downright anti-Semite.
Egypt-Israel peace agreement . Israel is either occupier or apartheid state, because there are 2 different sets of laws for people living on the same territory . The only difference is that one are Arabs, others are Jews . Which one is it ?
DeleteMike Rotch, what is your point about the Egypt-Israel peace agreement?
DeleteIsrael is neither occupier nor an apartheid state, that is a leftist and pan-Arabic fallacy, period. In the state of Israel there is not two sets of laws for two different races; but there is a people who want to be called Arabs instead of Israelis, they are not loyal to their country but want to benefit from it. Spare us of your leftist BS.
Oh, Mohammed/Mike is here! Hi Mohammed, I missed you! Israel does not have "2 different sets of laws for people living on the same territory", there is one set of law: Jewish Law. Now, if some people for political reasons decided that Samaria and Judea are theirs and they forced a situation (Oslo Accords) where separate laws had to be drawn because they refuse to abide to Jewish law...although many of them are alright with abiding to Christian law in the west...then it is a different story!
DeleteStop using apartheid when referring to Israel a fully democratic state where your people, the Arabs, vote! You are mocking the actual victims of apartheid, shame on you, dude!
To the brave Anonymous - Israel has peace agreement with Egypt after giving up on Sinai. No war since then. You should check laws regarding Palestinians and Israelis in occupied territories before saying that there are no 2 sets of laws. Oh, and how many Arabs do you know ? That you say the statement such as Arabs do not want to be Israelis?
DeleteTo Sarah/Ana - What are you talking about ? There is a military rule in Occupied territories . There is no police or anything like this. Laws of Israel are not valid there.
Israel is not fully democratic state ! I do not remember when could Palestinian vote in Israelli elections. (if you really think , that there is no occupation) .
Egypt-Israel peace agreement generated peace only on paper and caused Israel to lose land, again. Since Israel left the Sinai, what happened? Egypt has allowed Islamists to camp there to be used as proxies against the Jewish State. That's not peace.
DeleteThe same happened with this unilateral disengagement plan, except there is no peace in the title of the document: Gaza was turned into a terrorist camp.
So no, giving land for peace is not viable as Max said.
Mike, I do not recognize any "Occupied territories" because you can't occupy what is yours; so what are YOU talking about, dude? Israel is a full democratic state, where all its citizens have the right to vote. If the other Arabs want to vote in Israeli elections, then quit the two-state nonsense; if they want to vote in Palestinian elections go back to Gaza, but leave Samaria and Judea alone!
DeleteAh and Mike, thanks for the "Sarah" detail: I never denied I was Jewish. Whereas you....
DeleteTo Joseph - What do you mean only on paper ? There was no war between 2 countries. What are you talking about ? The unilateral disengagement "plan" was never a plan . No agreement was signed, no real freedom for people of Gaza was provided . They can't freely move to other countries, they can't develop trade, they can't have real industry there. What kind of freedom is this ? I wish you all experience this "freedom" for at least short amount of time.
DeleteAna - they are recognized as occupied by much more important people , that you're . Sorry that even Israeli government does not agree with you as laws of Israel are not valid there . If this land is part of Israel and Israel is democratic country , why can't Palestinians vote ? Something does not add up in your statements . Both cannot be true.
Did I ever deny, that I was Jewish? When did I say something to the contrary ?
Hahahaha that argument is so ridiculous of you! This why I know you are not a Jew, Mohammed! But never mind. Naftali Bennet is part of the so-called "important people" (boy, you must be really insecure) and he doesn't recognize that term either, along with many others - me included. So no, there is no "Occupied territories" Mr Mohammed C Amanpour!
DeleteAre you playing dumb again? Dude, this is not G+ communities where people find you funny and charming - here most won't.
I do not care what anybody thinks about me anywhere on the Internet. I'm not going making friends here or something.
DeleteIf You do not have any counter argument - no one is forcing you to say anything. Why did you reply at all if you have nothing except personal attack ? Does insulting people make you feel better , in absence of an argument ? I'm sorry for making you feel stupid.
Mike, your comment goes to show how well you know the disengagement process. There was a pre-disengagement coordination effort with the Palestinians in 2005, it involved documentation as all these things do. Now, why can't they move freely into Israel without clearance? Ask Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Al-Qassam Brigades etc, that caused a perfectly legal embargo to be enforced on the Gaza Strip. Now they used to travel freely through Egypt until Hamas messed up with Mubarak and then until Hamas messed up with the most recent Egyptian administration.
DeleteGet your facts straights, that leftist talk doesn't cut it any longer and nice talking to you.
Of course not, troll. You are here to do a job, I get it.
DeleteHahahaha yeah, I know that one too...Boy, you are a competent troll. Did you feel insulted by my words? I don't believe, that response is troll 101. You know my eyes are on you since the day we met, Mohammed. Yeah, you wish you had that power, but guess what? You don't, dude. See you around the web, this convo is dead.
Joseph -what do you mean by "all these things do" ? Citizens of Gaza did not have freedom of movement even according to all agreements with Palestinians. They did not have any choice in that "agreement" actually. Palestinians were against this disengagement plan . But any way, what does that have tot do with peace period with Egypt ? No peace agreement with Palestinians was signed in this case. Israel just divided Palestinian people. So my statements still correct :
Delete1) Peace for land works , when you have a peace agreement
2) Israel occupies land (even Naftali Benet , thinks so. Otherwise there would not be a reason for plan to annexe parts of Palestine that he has)
3) Less people died since disengagement , than should have died otherwise.
4) If Israel want to have West Bank under its control - it should give citizenship to population that lives there,and a right to vote if it wants to be democratic nation.
Hi Celia :D!
DeleteIn what does this article offend you, Celia? I dare saying it because it is not viable.
Is it, now? I look at the Middle East and see other pressing problems: Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Egypt and the Sinai problem, Iran, the Jihadist threat, Al-Qaeda in the so-called Palestinian controlled territories etc etc. You, darling, are delusional if you believe that giving land to the Arabs will end these problems (some of them much older than the Arab-Israeli conflict).
Israel is not occupying land - read the Levy Report, read the International law pertaining Israel and then get back to me.
Israel will keep its land no matter what Arabs, leftists and self-hating Jews may do or say.
Celia, thank you for sharing your beliefs :D.
Cheers
Hi Mike :D!
DeleteWelcome to our domain.
I never thought I'd ever find you here.
Do you really think it worked to give the Sinai to Egypt? Look at what it became ever since: a safe haven for terrorists that not even Egypt seems to be able to control.
Yes, there is relative peace with Egypt (and by the way, there hasn't been a War between Israel and Egypt, not because Egypt is so abiding to agreements but because it knows that if Israel with much less advanced technology slew their army in the past, imagine what it could do today - and Egypt is not witless) but handing the Sinai over to them didn't work.
I see you are back to the typical leftist and Arab lies. It's fine, but no one is buying it any longer; so change the tune.
And by the way, thanks for your comment on the G+ Israel community: I'll make sure to tell my crew that you found our work biased and packed with lies.
Mike, thank you so much for your input :D. It was a pleasure. Know that you are welcome in our humble political domain, always good to know what the left is thinking.
Cheers
I'm not selling anything so there is nothing to buy. Fact No 1 - no war since the agreement ,Fact No 2 - Six days war did not stop new war. We may conclude that peace is achieved in 100 % of peace agreements and is not achieved in 100% of wars.
DeleteDo you have any argument that contradicts me or you , like everyone here just want to attack me personally and tell me that I lie , without actually proving me wrong. I'm willing to listen, the problem is that you have nothing to say . It's not even a fun debate.
If it isn't a fun debate, Mohammed, why do you keep coming back, dude?
DeleteYeah, that' right...a valid argument under the form of a question that contradicts you. And for the record, no one attacked you personally (ok, maybe only me but not the others) but you do lie and you know it! We had this conversation before on G+ and people gave you facts, links to check those facts and you chose to ignore all of them and keep vomiting your lies and template speech...so if I was the others I'd ignore you cause you're not fun to debate with!
Mike,
Delete"Fact No 1 - no war since the agreement"
No direct war, you mean. But what about war by proxies? And what about allowing Jihadists to camp in the Sinai, thrive there (yes, occasionally Egypt pretended to fight them when they attacked their tourism business, but never irradicated them) and let them smuggle weapons to Hamas so that it could attack Israel...is this peace?
"Fact No 2 - Six days war did not stop new war."
The WWII didn't stop the war against terror either but there is a sense of stability. The same happened with the Six Day War: Israel reconquered land and secured enough stability to thrive.
"We may conclude that peace is achieved in 100 % of peace agreements and is not achieved in 100% of wars."
That conclusion is a fallacy when we include in the equation the Wars by Proxies and when wars fulfil their mission and create a sense of stability.
Mike, always a pleasure.
Cheers
I agree Obama should apologize to us! After all he did apologized to the Arabs in Cairo, after all the indulgence towards them and their terrorism.
ReplyDeleteAriel Sharon did a great job and yeah, he proved that giving land to those Arabs will not solve crap. It was painful to see Israelis expelled from their homes but it was a price to pay to show the world how wrong they are.
Am Yisrael Chai!
Hi Adam :D!
DeleteHe should indeed.
Am Yisrael Chai, my friend!
Adam, thank you so much for your input :D.
Cheers
If I wrote what I really believe, it will be politically inappropriate. I shall simply point out a similarity though, we are yet to withdraw. Israel and the Palestinians and India and the Kashmiris. It is a pity that both the I countries are unable to find permanent solutions.
ReplyDeleteHi Rummy :D!
Deletelol I know, right? ;)
I have withdrawn that similarity a long time ago and you know what I think about it (in fact, I may bring it to public one of these days). Israel will eventually and I hope India will too, if you know what I mean.
Rummy, thank you ever so much for your input :D.
Cheers
First, may peace be upon Ariel Sharon. Second, he did a hell of a job showing the world that Palestinians are not serious when they say they want peace, cause they don't! Third, Obama should tell Kerry that he is doing a poor job, cause that peace plan of his is terrible, it does not protect Israel nor Jordan...are the US oblivious to the fact that the Arab political faction called Palestinians want to overthrow the King on behalf of Saudi Arabia? Yeah...the US should wake up and smell the coffee. I don't know if Obama will ever apologize to Israel, because the Arabs have a lot of money in the right places in America and our brothers are too afraid of being victims of anti-Semitism again, so avoid to use their power in US to put them in their right place...Oh the dangers of assimilation!
ReplyDeleteHi Ana :D!
DeleteAmein.
True, they do not want peace. President Obama has been distracted with the Afghanistan withdrawal issue - from what I heard. But I agree, John Kerry is not doing a very fruitful job...except travelling back and forth to the ME. But let's see how the US will behave in the end. Sometimes what happens in the end is what counts more, not the process (as annoying as it may be).
Well said.
Ana, thank you so much for your input :D.
Cheers
If Israel wants to keep itself safe, secure, it must never give an inch of the land to the Palestinians. Especially now that Abbas is giving poisonous gifts: he refuses to recognize Israel as the Jewish state but is willing to address the Knesset and use the podium to make his insane demands from there? Israel shouldn't fall for it!
ReplyDeleteHi Anonymous :D!
DeleteI agree. I am not sure we need him to recognise the Jewish State because even if he doesn't it is a Jewish State. However, I understand why Israel holds on to that demand...I say, make your case, Israel...that's all.
Again, I agree: Israel shouldn't fall for it.
Anon, thank you so much for your input :D.
Cheers
No, there is no mission we can't accomplish and taking back our land will be another accomplished mission. Israel, make your damn case and get Yesha back!
ReplyDeleteHi Michael :D!
DeleteYou know it.
Mike, thank you so much for your input :D.
Cheers
Oh, is it me or did I see Mike Rotch in the house?
ReplyDeleteOlá Max,
Thank you for writing about Israel. And what a post it is! I support a full annexation of Judea and Samaria. Israel has been the world doormat for far too long, enough is enough! The left, the anti-Semitic right wing, the Arabs they can all stuff it because we are going to reclaim what is ours by right. Sorry about the language, darling.
About Obama: yeah, he should apologise to Israel; first for that speech in Cairo and then for the hypocrisy over the years when it came to what they call "settlements".
Great job!
Tchau
Olá Celeste :D!
DeleteYou are most welcome *bowing*. I hear you on that one.
lol you are forgiven. I agree with you: President Obama should show some fortitude and do the right thing.
Celeste, thank you so much for your input and support, darling :D.
Cheers
I agree with your thoughts. History has oft repeated itself when we see even after handing over of disputed lands for sake of peace things does not improve on the ground and we have the similar K problem here. Maintaining good relations is not the task of one country alone and both countries need to be on similar lines and not to give into local moods and rhetoric's for narrow political gains. Its about time countries shake up their priorities and give up that age old victim mindset which serves no good for anyone. Eventually you are playing with the lives of your own citizens and taking them for a joyride at their cost. The world is a far larger place than to fight for tiny bits of land masses.
ReplyDeleteHi Kalyan :D!
DeleteYou are right: Indian gave away Pakistan and Bangladesh for peace and look where it got her, right?
Your comment is food for thought: highly recommended :D.
K, thank you ever so much for your input :D. Always a pleasure.
Cheers
Darling, I must congratulate you for your superb piece: I had wanted to see something along these lines a long time ago, but alas people lack courage to against vested interests.
ReplyDeleteI concur, Ariel Sharon proved us all that the Palestinian side has been toying us around for years, taken billions of our tax money while at it, and extremely reluctant to come to an agreement. What is utterly surprising is to see Mr Olmert, who knows well that Mr Abbas refused his generous offer, blasting Mr Netanyahu for not reaching a compromise with the belligerent and criminal Palestine: the left is hypocritical beyond recognition. I say, down with the leftist plague!
Hi Bernard :D!
DeleteWhy, thank you, darling *bowing*.
Yes, the left is hypocritical beyond recognition, my friend.
Bernie, thank you ever so much for your input, dear :D. You were missed.
Cheers